I was in another thread last night and I stumbled upon this. http://www.monroeinstitute.org/download ... -series-9/

It is Tom going to a certain level, and with the help of an entity named "Thor", he forecasts future events on Earth. It was taken in the late part of the 70's, and it seems he was predicting some serious events that where supposed to take place within the next 10 years(at the time). It seems though that it did not happen, unless I am unclear on the date. Is it possible that these events could happen at a later time, that the dates where read wrong?

This was some time ago, has Tom done any other prediction sessions since then, and maybe since being more proficient in conscious exploration? Even then I understand that things are not generally set in stone, but I have a feeling that one can look at trends, and information patterns to calculate a probability where things could end up.

I love the explorer tapes. Very interesting to hear Tom putting things together. There is a post somewhere about the the TC explorer tape predictions. Free will, the future being probable only, subjective interpretation, and the PMR rule-set are all likely culprits.

This is just my guess, but I think that Tom's further exploration and understanding eventually led to an approach that trumped predicting such future events. The approach is that regardless what the future holds, the point and approach remain the same: evolution through direct experience... and struggling to make each choice a little better than our current level of being. One might argue that Tom or others could save lives or prevent suffering by warning about potential future events, but that would be to miss the big picture point I think. Doing this would likely only spread fear and fear is more destructive than death. So, I think the point is that the rule set was not designed (evolved) for such predictions to be common place or the "norm" (or fully accurate). Such predictions and psi events do work as great nudges though from time to time it seems, but again that is when it supports and encourages the long term growth of all-that-is. Death and suffering are just some of the themes of this spiritual kindergarten of hard knocks. There are of course pleasant themes too! My point is that this reality will just keep trucking right along with these common themes so long as they support the evolution of consciousness. The best we can do is focus our intent on our own growth and then just do our best. That being said, if I have a vivid dream telling me that I should head for high ground... I will assume that heading for high ground is in some way supportive of my growth... and I will be heading to high ground.

Anyway, that is what goes through my mind when considering this topic.

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Tom discussed those predicted disasters at one point on the board and explained that they were moderated and/or diverted by changes in the general mind set in PMR. Enough people had better thoughts that the collective Intent was able to change the course away from those predictions.

Ted

Awesome! Thank you Ted for clearing that up. This gives me some faith in our collective ability to change things here. Hopefully some of the things I have seen, will be diverted much like this.

Edgar Cayce (Known, at the time, as "the sleeping prophet") was also known for accessing the data stream. He made predictions of future changes as well, and While many of his predictions did come true, people always questioned why SOME of his predictions did not come true. He always had the same answer. That the predictions were based on the probable choices at the time, and some choices were different than expected, therefor changing the "probable" future.

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Hey Targobaath,

Thanks for posting. Personally I would not have put this in Wud I say, as I feel this is totally relevant to "Discuss the work of Tom Campbell". Would you mind if I cross-referenced an existing Explorer thread with a link to your post here?

Ted, Moji Doji, would that be ok with you as moderator/administrators?

Let me know, thanks!

Lynda

All of the available Monroe tapes are already posted as links on the board.

Ted

Thanks Ted, but what I was asking was if this post could be moved to someplace more appropriate? Does that make sense? I think it belongs in the main board and not in the place we reserve for off-topic posts.

Thank you,
Lynda

And that too is what I said, they already are.

Ted

So no need to move this then, is that what you are saying Ted? It's nice here since this is the place you can post in even without being registered, too.
Love
Bette

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The tapes are elsewhere, but Targo's question and Justin's reply are only to be found here in this thread.

I was thinking about what Tom said in NC about Indexing this board. Making it easier for people to find stuff (his examples were all the posts about Food in one place, and all the posts about Higher Self).

I understand if you want to keep it here, I just thought it made more sense in a thread that is not specifically designed for Off-Topic posts.

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Lynda

Lynda,

I did not remember who, but it turns out to be you, yourself, Lynda who has already posted about the whole series of Monroe tapes. Here is the link to your posting. viewtopic.php?f=11&t=2812&p=14463&hilit=Monroe+tapes#p14463 I went to the trouble to do a search and scan the list until I found this. The search function does work as everyone seems to constantly forget. Is that a suitable place for that link to be or should it be moved as well. Since there already is that link and also one by Justin on another thread, what exactly am I to do? There may be others as well as I only scanned half of the 5 pages of references, stopping when I had found two. As I keep repeating, this has already been done.

We are in the process of creating a Wiki where that kind of information will be posted as a serious reference to all material discussing and extending the original MBT material will be available. This will replace the Reference or Archive type material at the bottom of the Index page for the board. Otherwise, I would suggest that you link all these multiple references to the Monroe Tapes there. Eventually, someone, probably me, will go through all of the board forums compacting things, removing the chatting and leaving the information as is Tom's expressed wish. It will have to wait however as I already have the equivalent of more than a full time job between the board and the Wiki.

Ted

I listened to all the explorer sessions re: this topic. Some things of note. Regarding timing, Rosiland McKnight's session seemed to have been the most accurate as she related that the changes would really begin to pick up in the later 90's, and that there would be a 20 year period of most intense change starting from about that time, onward. We are still within that general time frame that her guidance outlined, and things do feel like they are escalating on the various levels. I've gotten the repeating guidance that within the next 10 years, life in countries like the U.S., most European, etc. countries is going to be very different than what we are accustomed to. Less, ah, amenities and technology but eventually more focus on consciousness, love, and realities that develop true happiness and joy within.

The above discrepancy between Rosiland's info and the other explorers is interesting and from a few different respects. One, i have long felt that the guidance that Rosiland usually communicated with was particularly "high level", expanded, PUL attuned, or low entropy if you prefer. Maybe not full "He/She" or "completed" types (as per Monroe's terminologies and experiences), but relatively close.

I've been wondering if the guidance that came through the other people (then) were perhaps from less aware and expanded "levels", and thus it's possible that this is one of the reasons for the lack of accuracy? This is perhaps not too far fetched since in Monroe's own reports, he had discovered that he was moving beyond what even Miranon (the guide that came through one of the explorers in this Earth changes sessions) was currently at and while i respect Monroe a lot, i recognize that he was not a "He/She" type yet in that life (and perhaps had a ways to go, so to speak). My experience with guides and guidance is that the more spiritually mature and attuned to PUL they are, the more generally aware, expanded, and accurate their perceptual capacity. If you run into a "He/She" type, a completely PUL attuned consciousness, then you are interacting with purity of perception itself (although with the future, even they cannot always be completely accurate because there are too many variables).

I have a hard time taking a guide who calls himself "Thor" too seriously. Most of my personal experience, and with observing outside higher level sources, has indicated that in most cases truly expanded nonphysical guidance or helper types don't usually "name" themselves or really even think of themselves in terms of a "name" like we do on Earth. Rather, often they even refuse to give a name when asked.

This was the case with Rosiland's guidance, but Bob Monroe needed some kind of name label, so he humorously named Rosiland's main guide as "Ah So", both because of the asian accent that came through, and because of the very enlightening and deep info that this particular consciousness often communicated. We also see this with Cayce's guidance often (often people in this case were told they were were dealing with the Universal forces when asked for a "name").

This is not so much a direct criticism of Tom Campbell--he just relayed the info he was given. From what i gather, TC feels like a more mature consciousness himself, but this session was a long time ago and perhaps he was not as clear or discriminating then as he is now? One thing i have learned is that there are definitely "tricksy" nonphysicals out there, who love when in physicals open up to them and they can get their 10 minutes of fame in the Earth again, or even less helpful motivations. Some are mostly harmless, but relatively ignorant and like many in physicals believe they know more than they really do. Some like to mislead, manipulate, etc.

The name Thor is best known and associated with one of the Viking Gods, and while Thor was a bit more benign and less bloody/violent than some of their other icons and figures...well the Vikings were an extremely high entropy peoples and period, and why connect with such a slow vibratory archetype pattern as Viking connected belief systems?

In any case, whether or not "Thor" was not a particularly mature and aware consciousness, there is still the interesting discrepancy in accuracy between Rosiland's info and the other explorers on this topic--especially as regards general timing.

While i'm open minded to the possibility of some collective human change having had an influence on the timing of these civilization changing events, i'm wondering why the big difference in timing between R. McKnight's info and the others? Perhaps it's not so cut and dried that so much changed in humanity then, and so the timing was pushed back, etc. Maybe Tom was then in touch with a less aware and mature consciousness and just got inaccurate information for that session?

The above is essentially true, but you also have to factor in how much Cayce's info has been mythologized and misinterpreted. I use to read a lot of Cayce, first books written about his info, and then later directly researching the Readings themselves. I often found discrepancies between people's interpretations of what he was saying, and what i actually read of what he (his guidance rather) actually said.

A good example is the (in)famous "Pole shift" reading, wherein a person asks, "What great change or the beginning* of what change, if any, is to take place in the Earth in the year 2000 to 2001 A.D.?" The answer given, much like the question asked, was a relative and general one: ""When there is the shifting of the poles; or a new cycle begins." *my use of bold

Yet, so many Cayce authors, researchers, etc. came out and said "Cayce said there would be a pole shift by the end of 2001." Clearly, if the question and answer is read carefully and in context, this is not what was stated. There was no definite this or that given.

I've seen various examples of this in connection with this work. What Cayce's guidance did do, however, was to outline certain general trends and periods. For an example, the time period and dates most mentioned in this work is the 40 year testing period from 1958 to 1998 wherein a few things were said to begin during this time. An increase in general global temperatures and climate changes--particularly near the polar regions, incidences wherein more "Lights" would be seen in the clouds and skies (UFO's?), a burgeoning spiritual, more universal type consciousness, and the beginning of the geological changes such as increase in frequency and severity of Earthquakes, volcanoes, etc.

The increase in global temperatures, earthquakes, volcanism, etc. seemed to be linked to a an "upheaval" that happened deep within the Earth (The Earth's inner and independently rotating core?) during the year 1936, which was hinted at beginning a gradual but eventually catapstrophic process of geological change within the Earth. Indeed, the changes at the year 1998 were forecasted by this source to still be considered "gradual" at this point.

In this, we see more accuracy in the Cayce work (and quite a long time ago) than with most of the explorers working with Monroe except for Rosiland McKnight.

Btw, it's interesting to note that Cayce's guidance said that for that upheaval deep within the Earth during 36 changed the axis position in relation to Polaris the North star. Casual researchers then and now, have linked this axial change to the outer poles we are familiar with, yet it's hinted that this axial change had to do with the inner core rather than the outer poles we normally observe and think about. We know scientifically that it was NOT the outer poles that Cayce's guidance was talking about because we are still pretty aligned with Polaris.

Scientific researchers have recently discovered that the inner core of the Earth is indeed an independently rotating mass within the Earth--specifically sort of a giant crystal, and that it's north-south axial position is shifted about 10 degrees from the outer poles of the Earth (and thus also from Polaris the north star).


(unfortunately, not a lot of the above is "spelled out" in the Cayce readings, and i had to exercise my own intuition and attunement to Guidance to work a lot of it all out in the cohesive, coherent form it's now in---or in other words, more interpretation ; ) ).

Varsa,
I agree with you about the interpretations being "skewed" by the perceptions of the interpreter, But it was of particular interest to me when modern science began (a few years ago) talking about the poles shifting (in one way or another) so many years AFTER Cayce spoke of "pole shift"

Also, we should keep in mind that time seems to behave differently in the physical world we see. And even Tom says, in MBT, that time functions very differently in the NON-physical. So, any (dated) information or "time sensitive" information coming to us from NPMR, needs to be taken with a "grain of salt". LOL

After all everything is just a probability distribution and all matter and energy is actually in a state of "superposition" untill a measurement is taken. Where different types of measurement may yield extremely different results.

I know some people may not apreciate me quoting the bible here in MBT forum but I cannot help mentioning that it says:
"For with whatever judgment you judge, you will be judged; and with whatever measure you measure, it will be measured to you."

Please forgive me, I just find that so ironic

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