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 Post subject: Re: WHY AM I HERE?
PostPosted: Thu Jun 09, 2011 9:36 am 
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Ingerul,
I like the poker hand analogy.

In PMR we cannot remember the hands, the cards, or even the rules. We only get to look into each others eyes.

While in NPMR we get to see everyone's hand. We get to see everyone's true intent.

There is a good possibility that we come here by CHOICE, in an effort to OVERCOME all of the deception. All of the obstacles preventing us from knowing our true nature and purpose.

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Ingerul,
I like the poker hand analogy.

In PMR we cannot remember the hands, the cards, or even the rules. We only get to look into each others eyes.

While in NPMR we get to see everyone's hand. We get to see everyone's true intent.

There is a good possibility that we come here by CHOICE, in an effort to OVERCOME all of the deception. All of the obstacles preventing us from knowing our true nature and purpose.
I like that idea Patrick. I have been building a new understanding of how useful marriage is in creating the situation of putting oneself under a limiting rule set absolutely connected to hurting or not hurting "other" in creating a larger decision space with MORE traction (possibility of REALLY f'ing up, and REALLY doing HORRIBLE things to another, or several, emotions with our choices) by buying into it, and signing up. Brave fools???
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Brave fools, LOL

Yes, I agree. Marriage can be a continuous struggle. And it is this struggle that brings growth. Married people are constantly forced to choose between what "I" want and what "my partner" wants, between what will make me happy and what may potentially hurt my spouse. Between my "needs" and the needs of "others".
It is within the most intense conflict and crisis that the greatest growth occurs. This is where we have so many choices as to how we will respond to conflict. The way we decide to respond to crisis is how we define our true intent. It is in great conflict that we discover who we really are.
In my own marriage, I have found great personal rewards in considering the well being of my partner as more important than satisfying my own selfish pursuits. I have had to choose what kind of a person I am. I feel that we get to choose who we are, and what we are "becoming", with every decision, every response, and every choice. I have told my wife many times that I am a better man today because of her.
I decided that it doesn't matter what my partner does or says, what defines me is what I do and what I say, and how I respond (even down to a facial expression ). This rule is also applicable to everyone I meet.

The choice is always the same, it is a choice between LOVE and FEAR. Whether it appears to be a choice between anger and compassion, between hate or forgiveness, or between selfishness and self-LESS-ness. It is, in reality, the same choice (in my opinion) wearing a different mask. Its always LOVE vs FEAR.

Unfortunately, pain is a great motivator and experience is the best teacher.

This is why we choose to enter in "where angels fear to tread"

There really are no victims, only volunteers.

Buddhists call it "The Joyful participation in the sorrows of the world"

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I think an honest acknowledgment of the purpose before the fact is fair, rather than the current fairy tale based one. It makes me think of the difference of going to California Adventure Park (Disneyland) "Soaring Over California" ride (limited=marriage) instead of just going hang gliding (being nice all the time without the embedded small rule set) though, since it all is already VR anyways. We don't NEED to put that limit on us to do the same thing, at this point, I hope. I hope what I am witnessing is actually evidence that we are growing up, and out of our need to be controlled (punished by other be it society, loved one, job, church, etc) in order to be nice. It's all good. :)
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pgtrue wrote:
There is a good possibility that we come here by CHOICE, in an effort to OVERCOME all of the deception. All of the obstacles preventing us from knowing our true nature and purpose.
Or to overcome duality and polarity based thinking. Deception has a negative connotation for me, how can there be deception when this whole thing is an illusion?

Marriage / wedlock is simply a lesson in duality. It seems like my husband and I are two separate individuated units, but in fact we are both One, just as everyone here is actually One.

There is only one of us here.

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There is a good possibility that we come here by CHOICE, in an effort to OVERCOME all of the deception. All of the obstacles preventing us from knowing our true nature and purpose.
Or to overcome duality and polarity based thinking. Deception has a negative connotation for me, how can there be deception when this whole thing is an illusion?

Marriage / wedlock is simply a lesson in duality. It seems like my husband and I are two separate individuated units, but in fact we are both One, just as everyone here is actually One.

There is only one of us here.

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There is deception because that's what we chose to label the data. You can call it an illusion (another label), which it is in a certain context. For me it defeats the purpose of being here in PMR if everything is reduced to "one" label. Maybe the lesson for you is to realize that it's just data because it seems that even the word "one" is a human label to describe that which is beyond human comprehension (the mystical). It seems much more productive and organized to label things differently rather than calling everything "one".

This puts me in mind of what Tom said in the first book. Life forms evolve towards a more organized lower entropy state while rocks and such evolve towards a high entropy veggie like (minimal energy) state.

Regarding this "negative" label that you have repeatedly put on data over the past year I have known you. Have you examined this? Do you find it useful to use this label?

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There is a good possibility that we come here by CHOICE, in an effort to OVERCOME all of the deception. All of the obstacles preventing us from knowing our true nature and purpose.

I am not sure I follow you here. So you are saying that that we saw deception from a Mt. Olympus type point of view of PMR from the beyond and wanted a challenge? It wasn't clear what was viewing what's deception. If in NPMR all intent is known (per your statement) there would be no deception. The choosing must have happened pre PMR?

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Regarding this "negative" label that you have repeatedly put on data over the past year I have known you. Have you examined this? Do you find it useful to use this label?
Very. As I am trying to point out, Duality is an Illusion. There is only one of us here. Labelling things as good/bad/right/wrong/negative/positive highlights the Dualistic nature of this particular PMR. Nothing is ever purely black and white, and black and white thinking is to me a sign of high-entropy, low spirituality consciousness. Everything is shades of gray.

We didn't meet until late July to the best of my recollection, Blaine, and you know what a stickler I am for getting things literally correct. One year ago this week you were apparently on a break from posting. In fact if you review your posts from last year, you will see you did not make any from approximately Memorial Day (May 28th) through July 1st.

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There is a good possibility that we come here by CHOICE, in an effort to OVERCOME all of the deception. All of the obstacles preventing us from knowing our true nature and purpose.
I am not sure I follow you here. So you are saying that that we saw deception from a Mt. Olympus type point of view of PMR from the beyond and wanted a challenge? It wasn't clear what was viewing what's deception. If in NPMR all intent is known (per your statement) there would be no deception. The choosing must have happened pre PMR?
I think Patrick is saying the same thing I say in my signature quote. Life is Forgiving, not Forgetting. It's the same thing the Pleaidians say in Bringers of the Dawn. You don't need to learn anything. Simply Remember. It's the same thing Neale Donald Walsch says in all his books. Re-Member. Become a member of, again. You have simply forgotten, but it is ok to remember. In fact now is a great time to do exactly that.

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You missed my point Lynda, but that's OK.

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Just throwing something out for whoever. Labels are only as good as their usefulness in communicating a thought / interpreting the data. A label can be both too precise or too vague to be of logical / practical use.

Within the context of communicating to a child to look for cars before crossing the street I could take many different communication approaches. Here's three examples:
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a) Look both ways for cars when crossing the street.

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b) Pay attention.

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c) Look north and south at eye level for wheeled motor vehicles used for transporting passengers, which also carries its own engine or motor. Most definitions of the term specify that automobiles are designed to run primarily on roads, to have seating for one to eight people, to typically have four wheels, and to be constructed principally for the transport of people rather than goods.[3]

The term motorcar has also been used in the context of electrified rail systems to denote a car which functions as a small locomotive but also provides space for passengers and baggage. These locomotive cars were often used on suburban routes by both interurban and intercity railroad systems.[4]

There are approximately 600 million passenger cars worldwide (roughly one car per eleven people).[5][6] Around the world, there were about 806 million cars and light trucks on the road in 2007; they burn over a billion cubic meters (260 billion US gallons) of petrol/gasoline and diesel fuel yearly. The numbers are increasing rapidly, especially in China and India.[7].

BEFORE CROSSING THE

paved public thoroughfare in a built environment. It is a public parcel of land adjoining buildings in an urban context, on which people may freely assemble, interact, and move about. A street can be as simple as a level patch of dirt, but is more often paved with a hard, durable surface such as concrete, cobblestone or brick. Portions may also be smoothed with asphalt, embedded with rails, or otherwise prepared to accommodate non-pedestrian traffic.

Originally the word "street" simply meant a paved road (Latin: "via strata"). The word "street" is still sometimes used colloquially as a synonym for "road", for example in connection with the ancient Watling Street, but city residents and urban planners draw a crucial modern distinction: a road's main function is transportation, while streets facilitate public interaction.[1][2] Examples of streets include pedestrian streets, alleys, and city-centre streets too crowded for road vehicles to pass. Conversely, highways and motorways are types of roads, but few would refer to them as streets.

a) Just enough to get the point across based on the child's current experience.
b) The child might not understand why I am telling them to pay attention. This is an example of too vague. The point is missing because of a lack of information.
c) Too much information. Too precise. The point is missed in all the unnecessary information.

I see the same type of thing going on here on the board.

It seems (based on my experience) that the important part, is in the "getting the idea across". I try to keep this in mind when communicating. I ask myself what the purpose is of saying something in the first place and then what is the best way to communicate this to others.

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AeroLynda123 wrote:
Everything is shades of gray.... and you know what a stickler I am for getting things literally correct.

I am not sure, but you seem to be in some sort of conflict here.

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That's your interpretation which of course you are entitled to.


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Joseph wrote:
Why here? Seems very hard here. I just don't get it. If I was at a better place, in a better time ...

I will contribute with a few quotes from "Lord Of The Rings".

Tolkien wrote:
`I wish it need not have happened in my time,' said Frodo.

`So do I,' said Gandalf, `and so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us.'

`... It was not Gollum, Frodo, but the ring itself that decided things. The Ring left him'

`What, just in time to meet Bilbo?' said Frodo. `Wouldn't an Orc have suited it better?'

`It is no laughing matter,' said Gandalf. `Not for you. It was the strangest event in the whole history of the Ring so far: Bilbo's arrival just at that time, and putting his hand on it, blindly, in the dark.

`... It abandoned Gollum. Only to be picked up by the most unlikely person imaginable: Bilbo from the Shire!

`Behind that there was something else at work, beyond any design of the Ring-maker. I can put it no plainer by saying that Bilbo was meant to find the ring, and not by its maker. In which case you also were meant to have it. And that may be an encouraging thought.'

Or as the screenwriters for the movie put it:

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F: I wish none of this would have happened.

G: So do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given to us. There are other forces at work in this world, besides good and evil. Bilbo was meant to find the ring, in which case you also were meant to have it. And that is an encouraging thought.

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Those quotes are quite fitting, Man.

Another one in a similar theme:

"The Road goes ever on and on
Down from the door where it began.
Now far ahead the Road has gone,
And I must follow, if I can,
Pursuing it with eager feet,
Until it joins some larger way
Where many paths and errands meet.
And whither then? I cannot say".


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Johan,

That is one of my favorite quotes from LOTR.
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Ha ha Jumbles I love your honesty :)

I have been here nearly thirty five years and think of Monroe's third book from time to time, in particular his description of PMR, which he calls the ELS (Earth Life System)
I feel no need to interact with most of the players here, as I don't aspire to compete, reproduce or convince employers or people of the opposite sex of my worthiness. In fact I often think I need to de-evolve in order to fit into the system in a slightly more compliant and orderly way :) I don't feel like I am evolving in any great hurry?


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