Ditto. I am living proof that it is possible for one to love God and not be particularly fond of Religion. Agreed again as usual. Patrick, you bring up an excellent point. I don't really think the god metaphor is going away any time soon, and I also believe that to believe there is not a god, or that god is a myth, is a belief system like any other, and therefore a trap.

I wouldn't be surprised if it were a fear based belief, but I have no way of knowing that, as I believe strongly that there is a god, just like I believe there to be life, love and freedom on this planet. God to me is as "real" as anything else in this virtual reality, he's just all that is - the seen, the unseen and the in between.

Love,
Lynda

Yes Patrick, I do.
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Bette

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I dont think the "god metaphor" is going away either, and I dont think it NEEDS to go away. The dogma needs to go away, and the belief systems may need to change with the new paradigm.

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What is the new paradigm, Patrick?

I agree the dogma needs to go away, and I think the rigid, militant, ritualistic ceremonies and behaviors could be loosened somewhat.

I only ever attended one truly Catholic wedding and all that kneeling and standing and sitting for three hours was enough to make me never want to attend another one.

Should I state once more for the record how happy I am that my parents did not force religion on me?

I WAS assimilated into the catholic tradition. Born to Catholics, enrolled in Catholic school, being baptized, taking communion, and confirmation. For some reason, with me, it didn't stick. I was just "along for the ride" and there was no place else to go (at the time).


Haven't you noticed that there is a wave of consciousness spreading across the planet?
I really don't think its possible to tell you exactly what the new paradigm is, but it is a new way of thinking, a new, higher level, of awareness. And with increased awareness comes increased consciousness, and increased decision space.

You know how Einstein said that: We will never be able to solve our problems using the same old thinking that CAUSED them. My theory is that there ARE solutions that we were previously UNABLE to see, because of our limited awareness, so, because of our limited decision space, we were not conscious of the possibilities.

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Yes, I've noticed :) It was sort of a trick question. I find this sweeping wave a bit indescribable, either you feel it (and you're riding it) or you are oblivious.

I think as time goes on it will only get stronger and more noticeable but for right now, it feels a bit subtle. Like if you are not aware (addicted to TV for example) you might not notice it.

The PollyAnna in me likes to think it is Unity Consciousness coming along to kick polarity's butt, but only time will tell (and we shall see :)

The Divine Feminine in me also likes to believe it is the Return of the Divine Feminine, but again, time will tell! And we shall see :)

Love,
Lynda

It reminds me of the Yin/Yang. Inside of the Darkness there is a little light, and inside of the light there is a little darkness. The same cycles of life that cause the interplay of "light and darkness" and the ebb and flow of the tide, (in my opinion) cause the "Feminine" and "Masculine" aspects to alternate. It just seems that way to me - The natural order of things : From chaos comes order and from order chaos. Like the universe is simply unfolding as it should, and we are to just make the best of all situations that come up, and its one TEST after another.

I don't feel that belief systems are ALL negative (filled with fear) its just when people believe they have THE answer and shut the door on all new information, that belief systems become "traps" and learning stops. When there is no more growth, that's when decay begins, nothing is static. Constant review and revision is necessary.

The feedback system is 2 sided. We get feedback from "others" about the quality of our interactions (whether friendly or hostile) but we also get feedback from inside of our self. in the form of; joy, bliss, love, happiness, OR, pain, anger, fear, frustration and basic Unhappiness. So I have developed a kind of monitoring "systems check". I just ask myself "how do I feel?" The answer tells me my progress. But HONESTY is required.

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I don't use most of those terms in the above, and i don't know about specific people and their influences, but i figure there probably is a mix of influence with some people with a lot of material influence, but whether or not they listen more to the more love attuned or selfish "voices" depends. I imagine some are more influenced by the latter, and some more by the former speaking on average.

While i'm no fan of Icke and those like him, much to my surprise, i've been informed by guidance that there is indeed a specific E.T. group which does try to influence humanity to the negative or "higher entropy", and they are good at what they do.

Monroe was told by his "I/There" that there are misleading E.T. forces, and Rosiland McKnight's guidance also outlined quite a bit of info about a particular E.T. group, and they even pointed out that sometime around the 2500 year mark that it was probable that humanit would become involved in an out and out war with this unfriendly E.T. group but would have some help from the more low entropy type E.T.'s.

Also, there are more credible and serious researchers in the E.T. area, like the late Dr. John Mack who DO speak of a reptilian E.T. group with a negative agenda and intention towards humanity. Icke and Dr. Mack are not much alike, except in the most general that both mention the above in a very general sense. The specifics are very different though.

My sense is that they are held in check by forces more powerful and aware than they are, until we are collectively mature enough to handle and deal with what we have attracted by our own collective negativity. But while they are not allowed to physically attack for now, they are allowed to try to influence humans. Or in other words, in a sense they are now in more covert kind of war with us. My wife had two separate dreams which related to a future life of hers, during a war with a particular E.T. group, and it all sounded similar to what McKnight's guidance had generally outlined.

Make a practice of attuning to pure, unconditional love consciousness and they cannot influence you at all. As regards your original question, yes, my intuition is that they do sometimes influence certain people with a lot of material influence and power.

In any case, the good news is that there are many more constructive sources out there trying to help us than there are hindering or misleading ones. The former also tend to be more powerful because they are more aware and there is more of them, and this group comprises of various "categories" from former inphysical humans, E.T.'s, true "Angels", in physical humans, etc.

Perhaps you have different concepts mixed up here? Feminine/Yin and Masculine/Yang do not have to do with Light or a lack of Light luminosity (there is no such reality as "darkness" unto itself, it only exists in relative lack of Light luminosity).

Fem/Yin and Mas/Yang relate more to "charge". Yin is the passive/attracting/inward state and Yang is the positive/expanding charge.

Both "sides" are within Source Consciousness, as a Consciousness, but "darkness" as we understand and experience it is not part of Source's consciousness like it is with some individuated consciousnesses which were sparked off from (but always within) Source. Or in other words, "darkenss" or rather lack of Light luminosity didn't appear until Source created individuated consciousnesses and gave them "freewill". The latter is what led to the experience of relative lack of love, constructiveness, etc. Whereas Yin and Yang were fundamental stages and ways of Being inherent in Source Consciousness, though i have a theory that Source was originally completely a "woman" haha, and decided to morph into a hermaphrodite of sorts--all metaphorical of course. (in any case, Source certainly became happier and more fulfilled when it eventually realized and awoke it's Yang side, no more lonely nights eating a one flavored Ben and Jerry's ice cream called "feelings and aloneness")

It seems that most times anger does come from fear, but i can't say that this is all the time in every single case. There is a type of anger which could be labeled perhaps righteous indignation, such as the man Yeshua briefly expressed to the money lenders and sellers of animals for sacrifice within the temple area.

This kind of anger does not stem from fear, but from the dislike of the extreme degradation of the sacred/Divine. Usually anger, the commonly experienced and expressed kind, is about the little self, and that's when you know it's really about fear. But if it's not about the little self, it's not necessarily from fear.


It's the kind of anger i feel sometimes when i see videos of animals being tortured and held captive in horrendous conditions with such inhumanity from humans as if it's all "ok", or better yet "what we're supposed to and have a 'right' to do". Or perhaps it's means (the experience of anger during these times) that my consciousness just isn't low entropy enough ;)

Have you read this book? http://www.amazon.com/Tao-Chaos-Merging ... 1852308060

I wouldn't put a lot on Yin being passive.
Love
Bette

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If you look at the symbol of YIN/YANG you will see that within the white area there is a little black spot, and within the black area there is a little white. I probably didn't do a very good job of communicating my point here. The "light" and "darkness" are metaphors. You can call it "positive and negative", "masculine and feminine", "this and that" or "good and evil", all metaphors work to relay the point that I was trying to make. The point was, that there is no "this" without "that". There is no "US" without "them". There is no hot without cold, and no masculine without feminine. We cannot reject the "darkness" without rejecting ourselves. Because Inside of every masculine there is some feminine. Inside of the "light" there is some "darkness" and it is impossible to separate ourselves from our condition of entanglement.
As you say there is no REAL darkness there is only various levels of illumination. And there is no REAL evil. only various stages of awareness. We must be very careful when pointing out or seeking out our "demons" to condemn and "exorcise". because we may end up condemning ourselves.
What we resist will persist. And as Carl Jung says, "Condemnation does not liberate, it oppresses." and "Knowing your own darkness is the best method for dealing with the darknesses of other people."

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I have not. Problem with such conceptual frameworks is that they tend to imply or make one think there is a separation between these, but really there is not separation and all consciousnesses have both within to relative, often changing from moment to moment, degrees.

So, while Yin represents the indrawing, passive, still, listening etc. part of consciousness (think the original "Void" state of being), in actual living, choosing consciousnesses, even if a particular consciousness is primarily polarized to Yin, the Yang side will come out and interplay with that and so such a person, at times, will not appear passive at all. In any case, you can't really separate the two in actuality, just in theory or in the occasional, rare extreme extremes.

There is nothing "wrong" with passiveness, at times, but it's balance which is key. Mediation initially starts off being a way of attuning to the Yin side of consciousness, but with practice and right intent it eventually becomes a balanced and balancing process.

Yin represents something different in the book I mentioned, and something that makes more sense to me than it being passive. I do respect your right to have it represent the passive to you though, it represents female energy to me.
Love
Bette

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The Yin-Yang symbol is just that, a symbol. The creator(s) of same, probably simply chose white and black, because of their particularly contrasting natures, not necessarily to only represent light and darkness. Perhaps that is one of it's meanings, but i do not associate feminine with darkness and masculine with light.

Regarding lack of light luminosity in general. You make some good points, but keep in mind i mentioned attuning to love consciousness as the "way out" so to speak.

In love, there is no room for condemning relative lack of light, but there is room for awareness without fear. You mention Jung, well there is both shadow within and without, and while it's true that some (or many) times people focus on the outer aspects of shadow as a way of not dealing with the inner shadow, there is great benefit to awareness of both without fear and dislike of the Beings (whether self or others) who choose to manifest these.

Without awareness of the shadow, both within or without, it's mighty hard to deal with the undermining, misleading, or corrupting influences of same.

Again, awareness without fear and dislike, is key in the whole process of expanding consciousness. Awareness with love behind it. I don't love the immature E.T. group i spoke of, any less than i love fellow humans whom i have a more personal, love connection to. My deepest hope is that they will grow up, and realize the joyous, happy making, and beautiful nature of pure, unconditional, universal love.