Tom:
"Our intent and awareness leads, the VRRE follows."
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Well, it's time to establish Intent University. Oh, wait... that's already been done, and we're in it.

Thanks for the replies, Tom. These kinds of discussions are really awesome.

I did see a "UFO" last winter. I know aircraft pretty well, especially military craft. What I saw was only describable as it looked liked something from Star Wars. It was massive and just did not belong in the area I saw it. I felt as if I could have hit it with a rock. I know it was shift in my perception, but my brain kinda put the experience into a weird Hollywood-esq context. Something that my PMR focused consciousness would be able to understand. Really interesting stuff.

Another thing, as a young teenager, I do remember waking up early on certain mornings and seeing weird animals in my backyard. Just insane stuff that did not belong in the area in which I lived. I know I was conscious when I saw it, but it was as if my PMR based brain kinda put something there that would be more understandable to my PMR experience, even though I'm pretty sure my consciousness was shifted.

Roland,
Very clever -- you got a laugh from me on that one.

TobyH,
Glad you find these discussions to be helpful -- that is the point of their existence. Don'tcha jus luv it when a plan actually works now and again?

".but it was as if my PMR based brain kinda put something there that would be more understandable to my PMR experience, even though I'm pretty sure my consciousness was shifted."

Yes, exactly. No doubt your consciousness was shifted -- and what it experienced was strange enough to have no analog in your memory, so strange animals stood in for what was otherwise inexpressible by you in rational terms.

That is the nature of the subjective world -- that's why special care and good scientific methodology needs to be taken to explore it -- if not, you end up with poetry and loose metaphor which constitutes only a vague description of the shadow of the real thing. Eventually the truth within the poetry gets mixed with misunderstanding and ego, and then turns into dogma after enough people get involved.

With enough research, the many metaphors of our subjective experience can become precise enough to support a consistent causality and an understanding of a general supporting structure (a Big TOE). The point is: When you see these things be open, be ready to interact positively with fearlessness, and with skepticism until you have enough data to understand the nature of the experience, then repeat the connection with these entities/experience enough times that you become familiar enough with them/it to refine your metaphors to the maximum accuracy you can muster at the time. Ask lots of questions as you go and get involved with what they are doing if you can (understanding gets clearer when the view is from the inside). Constantly test everything -- especially your assumptions (try not to have any assumptions but continually test the ones you have). With this approach, your experiences will begin to make sense within a larger picture rather than just be strange and un-expressible - symbolized by bizarre animals or whatever.

Make contact, ask questions, test, get involved, remain skeptical, repeat until you are sure and can express your experience, and the significance of it, rationally because your picture is now big enough to contain it. It is a bootstrapping process.

Tom C

Tom,

Presently, it seems that a theory for UFO/Abduction phenomena would strongly support a NPMR component to both. Yet, evidences put forward by researchers like Richard Dolan appear to support a PMR side as well, e.g., recovered vehicles. Assuming that what I've put forward here is correct, how might this fit into the context of your TOE; specifically, the rule sets of PMR and NPMR? Are we looking at similar, but not identical origins for the observed phenomena; in other words, might there be an extra-terrestial origin for the physical evidence (PMR), and an extra-dimensional source (NPMR) for the remaining, with the two being mutually exclusive?

Roland,

I have no direct knowledge of "recovered vehicles" and thus must remain skeptical of such claims. However, your question is: Assuming that what I've put forward here is correct, how might this fit into the context of your TOE. Under that assumption, I more or less agree with your assertion: "an extra-terrestrial origin for the physical evidence (PMR), and an extra-dimensional source (NPMR) for the remaining, with the two being mutually exclusive".
Probably mutually exclusive, but not necessarily. Typically when one manifests a body and other material within some outlying VR frame, that stuff does not have persistence in that frame after your attention and focused intent have gone from that frame. That fact generally supports exclusivity. However, if you keep some part of your intent continuously focused on maintaining an object within a outlying VR, you can maintain that object indefinitely. There is little purpose or value in using your attention/energy/will to maintain an object that you can recreate whenever you need it -- thus doing so is very unlikely, but not impossible.

Tom C

Well then, I suspect that transmigration between dimensions is occuring via well developed consciousness/systems techniques, or light-speed-violating PMR techniques are being applied. In the latter it would seem that our model of PMR physics is incomplete.

Tom,

The topic of this thread has caused me to reflect back on a somewhat turbulent period of my life which took place about 12 years ago. At that time I was 24 years old. I had, over the course of about two years, numerous NPMR events take place and one PMR/NPMR event .

The NPMR events were many and varied. From a dark semi-opaque ball hovering over my chest while an woman's voice was telepathically explaining to me that she was my mother and that "we want you to have faith". To an aboriginal looking man who was leaning over my body with both of his hands moving about my chest as if he were searching or feeling for a particular spot. Not unlike getting a 'physical' from your doctor. To a dark opaque object that flung itself over my body and seemed to be trying to smother me. At the time, I had no idea what was going on and was quite upset with it all.

The PMR/NPMR event happened only one time and lasted for about 5 hours. This happened one night while I was at home and wide awake. It started as flashes of dull, yellow light which sent out some sort of electrical wave that struck my body and caused me to become a light-headed for a few moments. This wave also affected my telephone answering machine causing the cassette tape it to reset each time with an audible click. The light intensity increased a little bit each time it flashed. I also observed shadows moving about my room as well as numerous 'settling sounds' from heavy objects like my television, hanging art etc.

The reason that I am posting a bit of my experience here is that I have a question for you.

In Robert Monroe's first book, he mentioned that he was attacked by two small child-like beings that had attached themselves to his back. Robert not knowing what to do panicked and cried out for help. Soon after a third being appeared and was able to defuse the situation, allowing Robert to return to PMR. In Robert's third book, he wrote that one night while he was in NPMR, he received a distress signal and ended up in a mans room who had two little child-like beings attached to his back. Robert was able to quickly diffuse the situation. At this point Robert realized that he was rescuing his past self.

I've since wondered if there might be some coloration between Roberts experience and mine. I believe that in some way I am responsible for the events that transpired so many years ago. I'm just not clear as why or how.

Any comments would be appreciated.

Cordero

Cordero: In Robert's third book, he wrote that one night while he was in NPMR, he received a distress signal and ended up in a mans room who had two little child-like beings attached to his back. Robert was able to quickly diffuse the situation. At this point Robert realized that he was rescuing his past self.

Quamta: I have no direct empirical experience in NPMR, so take my words with a grain of salt. From Tom's Big TOE postulates, such kind of time travel is most likely impossible. The experience can surely be felt as completely real and it would be in fact being executed within TBC's memory, but that's as far as it goes: a "virtual" reality where the entities you interact with have no free-will awareness attached to them and are therefore just "virtual objects" in a deterministic setting. This is what I infer from my interpretation of Tom's words when he speaks about time travel. Whether you go to a PMR-sub-k past or a PMR-sub-k probable future, the setting is not as "real" as the present, since it's only in the latter where living organisms have a free-will awareness controlling them. Once the PMR state-vector is actualized there's no way to change that and all you can do is tamper with alternate pasts where no matter how real the beings you interact with look like they are not sentient.

Thus, my guess is that there's no way Robert could rescue his "past self", since the moment he travels back into the past his "past self" is not a sentient entity with free will, but just emulated code with no awareness. If we look at it from another perspective and analyze it from the moment when such "past self" was not in the past but in the present, we might hypothesize that maybe a "future self" went back into the present to help him, but that's also unlikely, since such "future self" would be executed within a "probable future" vector where he couldn't have any free will or awareness. To the best of my knowledge an entity must be sentient and aware in order to query the database... I don't think an entity with no awareness can tamper with the present state "real" vector that's actualized every DELTA-t.

This is just my interpretation. I don't really know what I'm taking about since my NPMR experience is non-existent and I am just applying Tom's theory as he explains it in the third volume of My Big TOE. For some reason, theorizing about these concepts makes me feel quite odd, maybe because I am not ready yet.

Quamta
This information is creating odd feelings in me as well, as if I am not suppose to know this stuff. It is almost like some of my awe of the universe is gone. Odd for sure, I almost feel fear of this information while at the same time being unable to not think about it. Is this a usual reaction I wonder to a newbie?
2b

quamta et. al.,

I am not going to try to get into everything here, but think I should point out the following and leave it to you individually to reinterpret things on a different basis, presuming you are willing to do so. You do not travel into the past. You have only one awareness: existing in the (your) present and having free will. This includes an awareness of the data stream representing the PMR present, the NPMR present and the present that your higher self is aware of directly and conceivably others, depending on your degree of activity. Which of these you can be aware of depends on where your mental focus is, such as at home here in PMR, and your capability to be aware of other focuses from PMR as Tom is able to do. These awarenesses advance synchronously into the future as time passes within each VR or directly experienced reality (all however experienced within your mind). So when you are experiencing a data stream originating from a data base recording of the past, your experiencing of it is in your present where you have free will but any beings encountered within this recording who were present in the past when the data base record was made do not have free will as has been discussed. But you have not traveled into the past but are rather experiencing a recording of the past. You could in your present with your free will experience yourself choosing to rescue your unknown past self as discussed by Robert Monroe. Did not Robert Monroe experience himself as being rescued when in the past by someone? A deus ex machina exploit that would have had to be the result of an NPMR generated manipulation in order for Robert Monroe in the past (but the present as he experienced it then) to react to this rescue. RM from the future did not step into the past where RM in the past experienced the rescue. RM from the past experienced a VR appearance of a VR simulation of RM (or someone then unknown) from the future rescuing him. RM from (and while within) the future relative to RM of the past, experienced a VR appearance taken from the past data base with which he interacted and felt himself to perform this VR rescue in the past. All of these actions are being generated by the VRRE and provided into the data stream of the present and are subject and open to manipulation for reorientation of positioning, etc. While it may be based on a recording, it is recording that can be experienced fully as if you were within it, experiencing it as the present. All of it appearing out there but actually being experienced within your mind.

Think through it. It works this way, given the functions and capabilities of the VRRE. When you or someone in PMR experience the future, you are experiencing something out of the projected possible data base(s) as projected into the future. This can be rendered into your incoming mental focus data stream just like it were the present. It will be experienced as the present although when the time comes for that future time to be the then present, the degree of congruence will depend on the accuracy of the projection or the degree of deviation from what happens actually, depending on how you look at it. All of these weird capabilities and happenings can occur because of the functioning of the virtual reality rendering engine as described.

If any part of this is unclear, point out where and I will edit it with clarifications. I think this is preferable to just adding follow on posts.

Ted Vollers

[2banon] This information is creating odd feelings in me as well, as if I am not suppose to know this stuff. It is almost like some of my awe of the universe is gone. Odd for sure, I almost feel fear of this information while at the same time being unable to not think about it. Is this a usual reaction I wonder to a newbie?

[edge] Welcome 2b! Your reaction is natural. Newness often causes unease. It did for me. This was mostly due to:

A) There the impact the new info had on my previous, loosely held reality models. But this became a very good thing because it opened up the possibility floodgate and helped in the elimination of many deeply held illusions.

B) Stirred change - a scary notion.

C) I felt privy to new concepts that a majority of society was seemingly ignorant of or didn't have the will/patience to consider possibly due to the effect it might have on their belief systems. This made me feel as a minority at first until I truly understood the concept of entropy reduction - which is not outlandish or new in the human experience e.g. "Do unto others..."

As for your feelings of loss of wonder/awe, well consider what you are really here to accomplish? Consciousness is the program that rewrites itself. Write yourself a new program.

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Thank you edge. I can see this is off topic, but appreciate your response. I've narrowed my reaction to this information, which fits very nicely with my current ideas that everything is energy, is more important that what I have been working on. I'm earning my MS in psychology now, just starting on my thesis today in fact, and desire to do something to help our youth succeed in high school. It just doesn't seem as important anymore. I'll start on the rewrite, thanks again edge.
2b

Okay. Getting back on the good ol' UFO I've found someone really far out.

James Gilliland.

I'm listening to Gilliland Update part 3 on duderinok's youtube page.
Gilliland is describing a group of ETs and their idea of "God" and I'm hearing a straight up definition of AUM. What fun!

Just saw another video of him and the guy sounds like MBT through and through.
Even his ECETI.com sounds like a call for pan-planetaty bootstrapping.

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Cordero,

Because of the nature of the experience and its relative isolation, I would guess the events you experienced were generated to show you with firsthand experience that a larger reality existed -- to open the door of your mind to the possibilities and to gauge your level of fear. The last would have told your guides what else they might be able to pursue that would be appropriate and helpful to you. So, if my assessment is correct, in a way you were responsible -- it was all done just for you to experience.

Tom C

There has been talk here and in another thread about Robert Monroe and his experience of rescuing his own past self. I have another possible explanation for this.
Robert Monroe's overall experience seems to be a movement towards a greater understanding of who and what he truly was as an overall being. One can definitely see the progression of his understanding by reading the books in order.
At one point he even says that he realizes that it was he helping himself all along. He seems to interpret it as he, in the relative future, was going back to aid and assist himself in the past.
My thoery on this differs in that maybe it was himself, in the sense of his overall larger being helping himself in the past. As his conscious awareness grew more and more towards an integration with the totality of his being, the memory of the event was recalled. His conscious mind interpreted the experience as if he was doing it in the present but that was only his conscious level interpretation. An aspect of his being WAS there in the past. Just not future Robert. I think this theory alleviates some of the issues that we are finding so problematic here.

Ramon