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PostPosted: Sat Jul 30, 2011 11:25 am 
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FWIW,

I'm getting that Bob unconsciously coined that term truncating the word "wrote" .... in so much as these 'rote-balls' feel like something that is written down, but it is not written and so the 'w' was removed ..... he might as easily have coined the word 'croll' as in a scroll which is also not actually written.

Sains' caution to not get distracted with Bob's definitions is a good one .... but the feeling shared in his tales of exploration can be an invigorating medicine.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 01, 2011 1:28 am 
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Monroe loved his acronyms.
"ROTE" (R.O.T.E.) is such a term he devised.
It stands for "Related Organized Thought Energy".

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Ryan,

Thank you for looking that up. It is valuable to know these kinds of things clearly and authoritatively. Could you perhaps provide a reference to his books for the information? That would also be of value.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 01, 2011 8:20 am 
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Sainbury wrote:
Bedeekin wrote:
OK... I've just ordered 'Far Journeys' from Amazon. People always turned me against it, saying it was very different than 'Journeys' and seemed to be more an advert for the Hemisync product. But... that's what I get for listening to other peoples opinions. Thanks Ted and Bette.

The reason I joined this forum was because of a recent experience that involved a strong sense of what you mean Ted. I'll put it down in another thread rather than expain it here. Suffice to say the experience directly followed a weekend reading binge of an ebook version of 'Awakening'. :)


Bedeekin - just keep in mind when you are reading Far Journeys that Bob Monroe's experiences are completely subjective. He processed his NPMR experiences and pattern matched them back into PMR based on his own life experience and ideas. There isn't necessarily anything fundamentally true in his books. His experiences are entertaining but they don't have to match any body elses experiences, and may actually unduly influence you if you don't realize this. He made up an entire set of terms to describe the way he experienced NPR. Rote is one of those terms.


I will Sainbury... don't worry. I have veered away from reading most books on the subject of OOBEs because they are stuffed full of belief-centric terms and ideas. I rarey get past the first chapter of AP books. I've read very few actually, considering I've been experiencing NPMR regularly for the last 26 years. I can count the books I've read on one hand.

Oliver Fox's book 'Astral Projection' is the only one I've read with 'AP' in the title. Very entertaining book.

Thanks Ryan.


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Ted Vollers wrote:
Ryan,

Thank you for looking that up. It is valuable to know these kinds of things clearly and authoritatively. Could you perhaps provide a reference to his books for the information? That would also be of value.

Ted
Page 20 of Ultimate Journey "This I knew as a ROTE, short for Related Organized Though Energy, a sort of ball of condensed thought and ideas."


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 01, 2011 9:44 am 
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Ryan wrote:
Monroe loved his acronyms.
"ROTE" (R.O.T.E.) is such a term he devised.
It stands for "Related Organized Thought Energy".


Hah!

Thanks Ryan! ...So much for 'impressions' eh?

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Thank you Ryan, this is going in the book. :)
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Those who create acronyms with complete freedom in their selection tend to make meaningful combinations if they can. Even the military and the government will do so if they can. So I suspect that R.O.T.E. was selected by Robert Monroe for the very association that it had with the word rote. It simply fits too well not to be so.

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Ted Vollers wrote:
Those who create acronyms with complete freedom in their selection tend to make meaningful combinations if they can. Even the military and the government will do so if they can. So I suspect that R.O.T.E. was selected by Robert Monroe for the very association that it had with the word rote. It simply fits too well not to be so.

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Hey! Robert Monroe could have chosen to call it a Related Organized Thought Ball, ROTB or perhaps a Related Organized Thought Unit, ROTU, or perhaps a Related Organized Thought Combination, ROTC. All equally indicative of the concept he was trying to get across but have a perhaps negative association from a prior use or are much less euphonious compared to ROTE which is not only better sounding and easier to say but also relates to the concepts involved in the acronym. If I were younger, had a better memory and had not read those books over 20 years ago, I could have perhaps remembered that it was an acronym too. Give an old man a break.

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I did. I didn't say "goat" even though it rhythms with ROTE. Your mature, and wise, not old.
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I just want share my experience with oobe´s that I´m having.
Or at lest what I think is an oobe.
I don´t know for shore because I don´t have enough objective evidence to be convinced.
But anyway. My first oobe was a very “light” one, and “happened” two years ago.
And now to the story.
After some time (couple of months) of meditating and been reading Robert monroe´s book I was convinced that I to, can do this. So I started to have this intent to hover over my body.
I meditated 30 min sitting and then went to the bedroom to continue meditating. And after 10-15 minutes I jumped in the bed because I was having a dream (or something) that I fell. So after this I assumed that I´m very close to paralysis. So I continued to get lower and lower. And click, the waves or electric feeling was all over me. And I started to hover over my body. After that I thought to slowly “go” to the body again. And I did slowly get back to the body and merged, and I woke up. Very profound experience and the funny thing was that I recognized the feeling or sensation. I remembered this experience, but I have never had it this lifetime. After this I started to cry like a baby.
After some time of ego business ( I need this experience again) I started to have other experiences. I was very interested and fanatic about this oobe and I studied the subject more and did hundreds of mediation hours to learn how, and what to do, to experience this state more. It was and still is a very interesting journey for me. And I´m learning more and more about me. Yes yes.

So after gaining more and more oobe´s in this other state that I call “the buzzing state” I want to have vision to see and navigate in the NPMR. But no! I couldn't do that.
The procedure was almost the same, to have an oobe. That was to be at the borderline and only with my intention, CLICK I was a out. To meditate sitting for 30-40 minutes to be quiet in the mind and then enter the bed and continued to be in that state, to the body fell asleep. Then bzzzt.
I have flown away and did some acrobatic flying, flying up and down in tremendous speed and going thru things. I have been sucked down what I call a vortex hole many times at great speed. I have experienced that I have different “awareness” when I´m out. The sensation, when I go over from the body to this bzzzztt state, was sometimes scary and could be violent sometimes. But hey, I´m still here.

In this period I was reading Tom´s MBT books and got some answers. But is this real?
The sensation was so enormous sometimes, that I sat up in the bed afterwords and shake the head and said: THIS IS FREAKY AND SO REAL. More real than PMR sometimes.
How I define real? I don´t know!
Anyway. The “problem” was and still is that I have exit blindness. I had vision for a couple of oobe´s, and I think I saw my body below me. Many of the repeated oobe´s was a direct transfer to a lucid dream. It could go either way. From lucid to oobe and oobe to lucid.
So, I could not be certain if it was a lucid or oobe. But now I know more. The difference (what I experience) is the awareness between this to forms (lucid and oobe) is different.
But I have still problems with not seeing. But I have a Intuitively feeling that it is perfect as it is and this is what I have to learn and except. But I´m humble and openminded and skeptic all the time.



There are so many things that have happened when I´m out of body, that it will take me lots of writing to do. So I skip it for now. The most important thing ( I believe ) is that this oobe state (or what it is) that I´m curious in, is making me more open to a bigger picture. And it has for over two years now. And it´s lots of fun to. I think in the bigger prospective of life that this entropy reduction is quite funny and teasing thing. Maybe the whole AUM is like a “cycle of reduction” of entropy and then BANG!, back to zero again and the whole thing start over again. Anyway.

Back to the blindness in the oobe state. I have tried to “purge” my eyes with the non-physical fingers and tried to focus my intent to have sight, but it is still dark.
Sometimes I have seen a vague contour of my hands when Im out. But never seen anything clear. Sometimes I have seen vague stars in the background and often I see this when I have “traveled” in great speed. (what I experienced)
Several times I have been going oobe in a very strange way. Like being suck´t out of the body thru the pineal gland. That was a very nice but scary experience. Zoooooom!

Sometimes I have seen a face-contour, and I assumed it was my face after rolling over.
But I don´t know.
The buzzzing sound is sometimes different in hertz. And sometimes when I get surprised or scared in oobe state, (out somewhere) the frequency in the buzzing sound change dramatic.

Sense a couple of moths back I have experienced the buzzing sound more like a sound in a room stuffed with computers. Like a soaring sound, and not so “hard”.
And sometimes I even experience oobe in a totally quiet space. Just me, flying and playing.
But unfortunate I don't have so much control over the playing stuff. And have no clue how to navigate or enter the RWW.

Ill hope that this text I have written, is understandable, because Its hard for me to write on English.
Thank you for reading, and please have questions and tips.

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Your experience of PMR is your interpretation of a data stream. Normally it represents PMR as a Virtual Reality. Switch it somewhere else, you get an OOBE. Switch it somewhere else again while asleep and be aware that you are asleep and it is called a lucid dream. In either case, your interpretation is limited by your PMR awareness being limited by the PMR rule set. In either case, it represents a data stream that you interpret. Not inherently that different.

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Returning to the original question of this thread, I recently had a 'doh!-moment' when I took a graph and smacked "lucidity" on the Y axis and "In or out of body" on the X axis.

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