I'm curious about how "The many Worlds Theory" ties into MBT. The basis for this concern is a dream I had some time ago.
In the dream (a extremely lucid one), after having accepted a project management position with an American firm in China. I found myself in a major city in China. I was trying to board a train to my final destination but was experiencing anxiety because I could not read Chinese and was concerned that I would miss my train. Then I saw some caucasian (sp) guys and found out that hey were from England. I told them about my concern and they pointed me in the right direction to get to the train I needed to be on. After this, the dream ended.

Now here is were the whole situation gets interesting. In the dream I was about 20 years younger than I was when I had the dream. So, in my waking state, I thought back to where I was 20 years earlier. I did get a job offer from an American company to work in China. I almost took that job
but did not as my wife told me that if I did it might mean the end of our marriage. But I really hated to let it go, so maybe a part of me did actually go there. I'm interested in what others may think of this experience.

Bill

Bill,

Remember that there are possible future data bases that carry such material that could have potentially been alternate paths. That is what you probably accessed. A path not taken, at least in terms of its probable development. There should be more information available if you indicated to the 'system' that you would like to follow up on it. It might be made available if it was deemed to be of value to you.

Ted

Ted or Tom if Bill had been accessing a non-actualized historical thread would the Bill he experienced in the "dream" have had flat affect, or in other words had no free will, or is that just for when we access the data of an other who has passed in the Larger Consciousness System and not self in a non-actualized historical thread?
Love
Bette

PS: Hi Bill.

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Bette,

Would he not 'be' the Bill that was experiencing the dream, thus having his free will as his normal self. It is my understanding that those accessed based upon the past historical data base are simulated pretty well as they were and would not necessarily be 'flattened in affect' or appear abnormal. I understand that the 'system' is good at this. I have not experienced anyone in such a manner for a sufficiently long time to really know by my direct experience. What I did experience came directly from the past actualized data base but I had forgotten about it and appeared perfectly as I remembered it, once I did remember it. This is just my understanding and my experience is limited.

Ted

Ted accessing the data representing someone that is passed MEANS they have no free will and that is how you can tell. In psychology speak that could also be seen as analogy for someone with "flatted affect" as a specific behavior in psychology speak which matches what I would and am imagining interacting with data with no free will to generalize the idea of interacting with a past non-actualized thread person rather than a active bit of Consciousness. It was a simple question really, I thought. Interacting with data with no free will would probably be not lying to call "abnormal" but it really isn't if you know about this stuff, so I do not think you used the term well here.
Love
Bette

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Ted,

You said: Remember that there are possible future data bases that carry such material that could have potentially been alternate paths. That is what you probably accessed.

Does this mean that the "Bill", in the dream continues to possibly exist in a future data base? And, by the way of our "dreaming" we sometimes connect with and are the "Bill" in that data base?

Bill

Hi Bette, (I love your smile)

You said: Ted or Tom if Bill had been accessing a non-actualized historical thread would the Bill he experienced in the "dream" have had flat affect, or in other words had no free will, or is that just for when we access the data of an other who has passed in the Larger Consciousness System and not self in a non-actualized historical thread?
Love
Bette

Bette, I'm not that familiar yet with MBT terms so forgive me if I'm misintertreting your message, but how can one consider that I was accessing a non-actualized thread when, to my mind anyway, the event was actualized via the lucid dream itself.

By the way, I enjoy how you use words to forestall misunderstanding.

Bill

Bill,

There is no future or alternate Bill out there. There is just a potential future path that was not taken, does not exist except as the possibility. That possibility can be experienced. But you are not in it. You are just getting a peek at what it might have included.

Ted

Being able to review any possible free will choice from a certain point... every increment of (PMR time) possibilty is recorded... and so you can possess/inhabit/focus any one of those free will choices and sort of 'free style' through the free-will-possibility film... except you are, to your senses, essentially 'there'.

Sorry Ted.. I've just finished the trilogy and I'm still full of beans... he describes it beautifully.

TED,

You said: There is no future or alternate Bill out there. There is just a potential future path that was not taken, does not exist except as the possibility. That possibility can be experienced. But you are not in it. You are just getting a peek at what it might have included.

Thanks for your response. If it's not asking too much, can you cite me the rule set in MBT that states that that I am not in a future except as a possibility that can be experienced but is not the real me. Can it be a fragment of my myself (and now only a memory) did in fact take the job in China, whose wife later left him, who met a beautiful Chinese girl, had three kids and lived happier ever after?

Bill

Hi Bill, thanks. :) According to the MBT model there are three databases (but really it's all just one) that are called the "probable future", "historical actualized" (what happened), and "historical non-actualized" (threads with a probable you that went to China and any other events that were probable but that did not actualize in this Reality Frame that you can access. As I understand it it can be tricky knowing where you are since yes, it all seems real when that stream of data is being accessed. As I understand it.
Love
Bette

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Hi bette,
Thanks for your response. You said:"historical non-actualized" (threads with a probable you that went to China and any other events that were probable but that did not actualize in this Reality Frame that you can access.

I think I'm getting what you are saying. Would it be safe to say that a fragment of my self may exist in the future but in this PMR is not accessable? My experience tells me that may indeed be the case.

Bill

Bill,

Remember that the PMR reality is generated by The Big Computer on the basis of probabilities. I have no clue as to the true nature of the algorithm beyond this nor has Tom ever expressed knowledge of it either. What you experience is taken out of the probability 'cloud' shall we call it and the details for your experience are calculated and presented to you as a data stream. In a non taken path probability, the reality just remains a probability 'cloud' until something occurs that results in your or someone's experiencing of it. Then it gets rendered in detail for your experience. The VR does not exist on a 'holodeck' basis as a model that is complete down to every atom, etc. It remains a probability calculation until it is viewed by a participating IUOC. So you are not there as even an image, just as a probability of your behavior, your interactions with others and of the environment of the VR. Is this what you meant?

Ted

According to my understanding of the MBT model the probability of you exists in the future because it is just data. You don't really exists in this PMR, nor do I as we are all bit of Consciousness existing in NonPhysical Matter Reality (NPMR) as what is called here in Tom's model our IUOC (Individuated Unit of Consciousness) or Higher Self, or I call us being a "bit". Then this fragments or goes fractal using MBT terms as my Free Will Awareness Unit (FWAU) or the character Bette this life in this PMR. Your model may vary. :)
Love to you and yours,
Bette

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bette and Ted,

OK, first of all, I want to thank you and Ted for your patience as I stumble trying to understand your description of TBT. I have been a student and practitioner of Don Juan's sorcery practices as given to Carlos Casteneda. So, through the years I have developed a belief system (that worked by the way) based on his teachings.

So, through his teachings I have come to believe that we live in a totally fabricated or made up world, another way to view it as being a VR. This is why I believe TC and CC were, are, on the same wave length.

Now in this VR we play many different roles. The sorcery trick is know know that all of this reality is made up! So a sorcerer knows that playing a role is only that. So, Bette, when you said that you are not really here you connected with me, I feel the same way.

Now, in my current belief system. I feel that my higher self, which exists outside of time, has many sub-selfs so to speak that exist in the past, present and future. And, in this present reality the trick is to get in touch with the higher self to eventually co-join as one undivided self. Now, once this is accomplished, one can exist on many different time levels and yet be outside of time completely.

Bill