During my early twenties I spent several years doing nothing of significance in PMR. I led an existence of eating... convincing my girlfriend (who is still with me) I wasn't in a rut and drawing in my bedroom. I think I did a few portraits for friends.. but nothing to speak of. The rest of the time was spent inducing OOBEs, meditating and prolonging the Sleep Paralysis state. One catagory of the interesting effects of this 'experimentation' period was Precognative OOBEs or visions. I had many of these experiences that had a certain 'qualia' or feel to them... they would always jump cut in tight sequential scenes... they seemed random. I'll give you some examples starting from the one that made me realise these were actually glimpses of future events.

1991
*this happened a few weeks later... same process; stayed in the VS too long...
(Flash!)
I was again experiencing it from the victims POV, and now from others... I was frightened and was running... weaving in and out of obsticals... cars... There were people around, I bumped into one of them...
(Flash!)
I saw a guy frantically running along a street waving a party balloon in front of him...
(Flash!)
I was the panicked person once more, I could see a silver party balloon on a stick wobbling in front of me, Then two brightly colored spiral columns to my left, I passed a column, a figure stepped out of a cubbyhole and thrust something in my stomach...
End

Event:

I can't remember how long between experience and event.

A local boy was stabbed to death two weeks later. He was celebrating his 18th birthday. He was chased and then stabbed next to a local nightclub, of which has two brightly colored columns at the entrance. He had a small party balloon on a stick in his hand.


1991
*I was staying at my girlfriends house. I again rode out the vibes and...
An alarm suddenly woke me up and I heard a voice shouting me to come outside because something was going on at the end of the street, I ran down stairs and looked out of the open front door to the street... It wasn’t my girlfriends road though, it was a cul-de-sac. This was like a False Awakening... even though I realised I wasn't me... Something drew my attention to the end of the street...
(Flash!)
An old woman wearing a blue ball gown was screaming and sobbing at me. She had a bloodstain on her chest... She grabbed the grey sheet off her and threw it away, she was on a stretcher, I was carrying it...
(Flash!)
I saw a close up of an old man’s gray pallid hand poking out from a grey sheet... I knew he was dead..
(Flash!)
I was driving down a motor-way, coming the opposite direction, two ambulances and three police cars sped past flashing their lights and sounding their sirens, it was raining hard...
End

Event:

I had this time wrote the experience down upon exiting the experience. I quickly drew a portrait of the old woman, and sketched the cul-de-sac. I also told everyone I knew about this... including my parents.
A week later my friend phoned me and told me to turn on the local news program 'Look North, right away. I did.
A news reporter stood in the cul-de-sac I saw a week earlier, they then flashed a picture of an old couple.
The grey curly haired woman was the woman I drew and saw screaming... I didn't get a look at the old man on the news.

The news story was about an old couple. After returning late night from a ball (blue ball gown) the husband dropped his wife off outside their front door while he went around the back of the house to park the car in their little pebble-dashed garage. As he locked the car thieves, attacked him knocking him unconscious, they then stole his car and drove over him, crushing his skull and killing him... His wife held him in her arms till the emergency services arrived. I initially thought it was a gunshot wound on her... but it was obviously from her nursing him.

(The ‘Flash!’ I've added is figurative and isn't actually a flash of light... more of a sudden shift accompanied by a muffled but loud popping noise. a distinct ‘cut’ in the narrative)

I've often thought that I was somehow caught in the perceptions of these people because they were high stress events... a collective fear... but nothing ever tied them together or related them. They were separate story threads of random violent future events. I was never given enough clues to work out when they would happen or indeed where... but just enough confirming clues to string it all together after the event had happened... hmmm.. maybe the Psi Uncertainty Principle at work there.

These did go a little way into making me fear that aspect... it rather felt like a type of repremand... "don't mess with what you don't understand... here's some nasty procognative 'snuff' that you can't do anything about to really send you a warning".

In hindsight, they were the reason I decided to pause my obsession, move on and do something with my life.

These experiences also illustrate a slant on time travel using free will probability projections. In that I seemed to be perceiving the events through the senses of other individuated PMR entities (I'll get there with the terms and acronyms if it kills me).

Thoughts?

Very ,very interesting,thanks for posting Bedeekin. I would guess that your interpretation is correct.

Interesting how you noted this.

I'd like to point out that in Psychology, they say that memories are largely state dependent. That means that if you're in a good mood, you're ability to recall positive memories is easy, effortless, and fluid. Basically, the association between the event and the emotion are sort of like "recall tabs" for each other.

Since we are all connected and one big complicated consciousness construct, I'd imagine similar concepts are at work.

A little glimpse of the "probable" future data stream? We do get little nudges that make us aware of the larger system.

Thanks for sharing it with us

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It's interesting that each event wasn't connected to me personally within PMR; a boy getting stabbed... an old man getting murdered, and were it not for those around me, would never heard of the actual events. Although they are events of high emotion, one was a lead up to an event the other the aftermath of the event... again... no consistencies. The only consistencies were the details of the 'experience' matching the 'event'. I'm not giving too much thought to this by the way... I'm just curious and just throwing it out there.



After reading MBT many of my experiences make sense... especially the precognition, which because so obviously real (to me of course)... was the most challenging to accept.

Maybe the choices made by the individuals involved were made at the actual time, directing a high probability future event.

This nudge happened during the end of a period of intense (and in hindsight callous) experimentation that was pretty much taking over my life. It was opening my mind that little further but I think I had the wrong motives for doing it or rather I was neglecting PMR.

Thanks for reading.

Bedeekin,

You make a choice and act, good, bad or indifferent. Then you react to the feedback. That is the fundamental way that PMR works. The basis of its design and it is considered to work well.

Ted

I've re-edited this reply a million times... mainly because I don't get the context you mean Ted.

Who's feedback on what choices? The choices the participants of the event made? or mine through being shown the probable event?

Sorry Ted... :)

Ted may answer this too, but I would say the context is that as we experience this VR frame as our character we interact with all the sentient entities that we interact with or that our choices effect will will get feedback from. Feedback is what happens as a result of our choice in behavior. You smile at someone and they smile back, feedback. You smile at someone and they punch you, feedback that you could use to decide to keep smiling at people because that was a fluke or to stop smiling at people in Fear. That's a REALLY weird example, but that is me. :)

You either realize the responses you get from your choices ARE the data (feedback) which you are to use to process to help Evolve your bit of Consciousness having this VR experience, or you don't. It really doean't matter because the system doesn't need us to know, but if you know you are getting feedback, oh, they liked that, or oh, perhaps that was mean then it seems easier to help YOURSELF control your choices a little better, more outward pointing vector of Intent in MBT talk. You cannot control the choices of other unless it is through helping them understand how it works so they can know, OR by manipulating them with Fear. Helping them understand is also manipulative, but not all manipulation is bad.

Does this help or make it less clear because I did use a weird example.
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I still don't understand what you are pointing out. LOL

"You either realize the responses you get from your choices ARE the data (feedback) which you are to use to process to help Evolve your bit of Consciousness having this VR experience, or you don't."

My choices to what? Experimenting with NPMR?

Are the responses the precognative 'visions', or my responses after having them? and do you mean the VR experience of the precog or PMR?

"You cannot control the choices of other unless it is through helping them understand how it works so they can know, OR by manipulating them with Fear. Helping them understand is also manipulative, but not all manipulation is bad. "

Who or what was I manipulating?

I apologise again... I know what you mean by reading each paragraph... but I can't place the context or meaning in correlation to my experience... or where it fits... as an answer to a question I may have inadvertently asked/created or just a general comment about the experience? I feel it's important to understand what you mean so that I gain a better perspective.

Bedeekin,

What I said applied specifically to nothing that you said but as you were in general describing understanding things and making decisions within the context of PMR, I was pointing out that this is how it works. It applies to all PMR contexts. It seemed to be something that might clarify all of what is being said here. Sorry if it did not.

Ted

No no... Glad you clarified Ted.

I am speaking about your everyday life and NOT NPMR. The choice to smile. The choice to either keep smiling after punched or not. etc.
I am talking in general, not saying you manipulated anyone although I am sure you have and do because we ALL do. See?
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ok.

I prefer manipulating clay and paint. It's easier and I probably get much more satisfactory results. :)

But you will still be manipulating people. Don't you thinking KNOWING that will help you be a better quality manipulator, or to catch yourself doing it to stop? I do. I know that is true. Do I need to paint you a picture or throw you a bowl? :)
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No but I work well with diagrams... ;)

I work in the film industry and therefor work within a creative environment fuelled almost entirely by ego and materialism. The range of ego is almost an encyclopedia of all the variants of insecure, fear driven, materialistic traits one can find.

I've watched the pattern of self destructive motivation in others since starting my carreer... and myself been sucked in by certain aspects of it... realised and pulled myself back - who wouldn't like to point at a cinema screen and say "I did that!!!". I only dipped my little toe in and got no satisfaction or lasting happyness because of it. Apart from my little neice who still thinks that it's cool. I watch manipulation and its interplay all day... I do it myself to things to make things look like other things. :) I observe manipulation and others trying to manipulate me. Don't worry, I'm savy about manipulation.

I have found a way around the ego driven polotics of the work environment by being true to myself and others. However, If in charge of a job I do manipulate my environment and the run of the job by placing the right people around me, that do an excellent job, that I trust and understand how I work. When I work with some new crew I figure out the ego-driven polotics and yes... I suppose manipulate the situation by dissipating it amongst those I perceive to be (professionally) threatened by me. Then I can be free to create and not get wrapped up in other peoples games and motives.