@mr. Campbell: thank you very much for responding.
that's all I ever wanted...

one last post to my conjecture:
someone on youtube wanted me to explain my point of view it in more detail.
so, there I wrote the following:

here in englisch: please listen carefully and compare it with the german clips in the video "Astralreise / Dimensionswechsel: Saber Rider vs. Thomas Campbell", eventually you'll better unterstand my poit of view.

It starts with the following sentence: "They can't follow into our dimension, thet's the beauty of it.."

Saber Rider 34 Stampede
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cx3qMzX3TuQ#t=9m45s

huschli have you noticed in your photoshop av picture that Tom's hands are NOT in the same position as the symbol you compare it with? I think that is something important to see. You have nothing here because there isn't anything. I think you have even got what you said you came for, and now you continue to obsess. Think, well wait, stop thinking so much maybe. You're going to drive yourself crazy.
Love
Bette

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What does a children's cartoon show tell us about Virtual Realities as different dimensions? Nothing in my understanding. Learn how reality really works as the LCS and VRs and these questions would disappear. Understand your place within that reality and why should you fear 'things that go bump in the night'?

Ted

@bette: "I think you have even got what you said you came for, and now you continue to obsess."
I am thankful that tom commented my question. But how do you know if I believe it?
So: If someone wants to view the first video in englich, it has to be translated. so I searched for the englich version of the cartoon
and there it is if you want to follow the conversations.

"Think, well wait, stop thinking so much maybe"
-> Yes, stop thinking. that's a good idea... therefore you don't understand the symbolism in my av.picture.
If you dont' wanna think: speculate and dance to the music.

@ted: "What does a children's cartoon show tell us about Virtual Realities as different dimensions? Nothing in my understanding."
Well, it tells something about dimensions (didn't you watch it)
you have to understand, that this cartoon has many occult symbolism and it was made by adults, not by kids.

maybe both of you should have a look in the following video:
NEW WORLD ORDER MEDIA BRAIN WASHING AND MIND MANIPULATION
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmecRimTFV4

Huschli,
you said:




There are all kinds of beings in NPMR, just as we have beings here, in PMR, of varying levels of consciousness. Tom does suggest that in the book. (that there are some really bad beings and critters)
and there is some inherent risk involved in consciousness exploration. Just as there is risk involved in driving your car, or walking down the street. The point is that we cannot allow ourselves to be ruled by FEAR.
Should I lock myself in the house because there is a chance I could get hurt crossing the street?
Should I lock my "loved ones" in the house, "for their own safety"? (out of fear)
Wouldnt that interfere with my own growth and the free will of others?
Shouldnt others have the freedom to CHOOSE what will make them happy? Even if we think they are making a mistake, shouldnt they be allowed to make their own mistakes?
There are choices to be made by all of us, We all have powers and abilities (whether we know it or not) to manipulate and control our environment and other beings (with varying degree) but the choice is ours how we use (or not use) our power.

You seem to be focused on the NEGATIVE (and fearful) side of reality. And while it is important to be aware of risk, we cannot allow ourselves to be controlled by our fears. And we should be carefull about spreading our fears in way that may be manipulating others through fear.

I believe there is much truth in the words of Einstein, when he said:

"The most important decision we make is whether we believe we live in a friendly or hostile universe." - Albert Einstein

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@pgtrue: "The most important decision we make is whether we believe we live in a friendly or hostile universe." - Albert Einstein

Yes, I absolutely agree with this statement.
But how can you really be sure if "the universe" is friendly or it only appears to be that way?

here is something about this:
Propaganda, Parables, and Perception Pt. 05
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nIkTIOzZovs#t=3m18s

Perhaps if you understood the MBT model of reality and that you only exist as a digital consciousness experiencing yourself to exist in a Virtual Reality as a physical simulation, you would understand that they can't eat you. But I see no sign that you are attempting to understand this which is the main thing that Tom Campbell provides. I never thought that children had access to the technology or knowledge to produce that cartoon but surely it is intended for children to view. A cartoon concept of dimensions is nothing like the concept of meta realities within and by way of which you experience consciousness and participate in VRs. If you keep your scope of understanding of reality locked within cartoon concepts, why not pick a more pleasant one? Perhaps Buggs Bunny. There is apparently no way to answer your obsessions. That is the problem with obsessions, they appear more real than anything else to those who have them.

I'm afraid that I can only see the link immediately above as misguided bull puckey. The author must have failed elementary school science and has no concept of natural history and evolution within our world. There is no interest in such an approach nor space for it here on this board. While the purpose here is not advocating science and any particular view of the rule set that defines this VR, those concepts in that video are totally unwelcome as pure fantasy.

Ted

@ted: "those concepts in that video are totally unwelcome as pure fantasy."
that's your point of view. but how do you know for sure?
I think those concepts in the video "Propaganda, Parables, and Perception" are very good.

You are welcome to your own fantasies and obsessions. I am fully satisfied that this is an accurate description of them. Please refrain from preaching them here. You asked questions and I answered them. Tom took time to answer them and I am unaware that they differed in any way from what I told you. This does not satisfy you however and you continue with your obsessions. Enough with the demonology.

Ted as Administrator

This is why it is important to "Live gracefully with uncertainty". I can never be SURE about the universe. I cannot even be sure about ANY individual that I meet. But the world (and people) will pretty much appear to you as you expect them to appear. your perceptions and beliefs will determine the outcome of all interactions, and you will probably encounter all of your fears. you will see the negativity all around you leading you to make choices based on fear. Fear leads to separation, isolation, distrust, suspicion, anger, hate, war and suffering. The walls that we erect "for our own protection" can end up looking like prison walls, trapping us inside.
If you are spreading fear, chances are, you are being controlled and manipulated by fear (and therefore working FOR the negative forces that you SAY you oppose). Fear becomes a type of "handle" that can be used to control us.

I get the feeling that even though you quoted MBT, the book (from page 820?) that you still have not read the book. And if you have read it, you did not fully absorb the concepts within it
The system, as it exists, works pretty much the way it was intended. And every "fork in the road" you encounter, and every choice you make is essentially a choice between LOVE and FEAR.
Tom says, in his book, that there are NO neutral parties, everyone is involved and active in the virtual reality simulation "game" of consciousness evolution.
There are only 2 choices, and 2 paths to take, Growth or decay, entropy reduction or increase. LOVE or FEAR. Ask yourself one question. Are you working towards increasing, or reducing, your individual entropy? (as well as the overall entropy of the system)

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@pgtrue: it sounds like: "There is no universal truth. Things apper the way you look at them."
If you fear the dog, it will bite you. if you love the dog, it will lick you.
but: how can you really be sure if "the dog/god" is friendly or it only appears to be that way?

"Live gracefully with uncertainty"
yes, it sounds like: don't think about what you don't understand ..and dance to the music.

You are not to believe anything I say, or Tom, etc.

Have you been indoctrinated in the Belief System that has god as a Fearful Male Father Authority Figure that you are programmed to believe anything they lay on you in those awe inspiring buildings with music planned to make you feel scared of some other myth of a devil? If so you Fear dog until you your self allow your self to let the information which should match up to what you REALLY experience once you can view Reality from outside those limiting beliefs. Your Belief Systems limit your Reality to a sub-set of the solution space that does not contain the answer, as Tom said.

It isn't just dance nor is it just shut up and calculate thinking here. It is you need to first be able to experience your own ways of opening your mind and then you will begin to experience more things that you can use as evidence. Anything based in Fear is a clue to stay away.
Love
Bette

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There may be universal truth but it can be clouded by belief, and perception and therefore interpreted subjectively. It is not about "dont think, or dance to the music", it is more about being open minded AND skeptical, and the delay of final conclusions. How can we answer the big questions without all the data? Try to see things for what they are, and not only as you perceive them to be. Reality is distorted by our interpretation, and lack, of data.
Sometimes you can fear "the dog" and it will not bite you. Or, you can love the "dog" and it might bite you anyway, but does that mean you should then fear the dog or ALL dogs? If someone you love, hurts you, do you then fear them, get angry with them, or hate them? Should I then be against love? Knowing that love is low entropy and fear is High Entropy? Knowing that fear is the path of decay and love is the path of growth? Knowing that hate is the path of suffering, and forgiveness is the path of healing? Knowing that anger and hate stem only from fear?

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Sorry, I haven't read the entire thread but as far as Tom making money from My Big TOE, has anyone mentioned that it is available to read for free?

Cheers,
Just lost my MBT Forum virginity (o:

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