Am I just imagining this, or is there a tendency for first OBE to become more difficult as one ages?

Also, I don't recall any female posters talking about having this ability in this forum

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I used to do the paralyzed thing all the time when young, and I used to sense a dark figure in the corner of the room when it happened. I recall wishing more than anything that it would stop, and it mostly did. Around early 2001 I had the one OBE that was had nothing to do with drugs that I have had that I remember. I have written about it here before. Basically I was taking a nap while my neice and the twins played in the living room while laying on my side. I found myself going up through the ceiling, I could feel the lift, but I do not recall looking down and seeing myself laying there at all. I went through the roof of my house and found myself with a group of people helping teach others to fly by just putting your arms up like this, and jumping. I flew through some fields of tall grasses I recall, and found myself looking at what ended up being a community college in Atascadero, CA. I then found myself inside probably the moon, a hollow "planet" is what I thought at the time, experiencing great speed as the rocky wall and I sped past each other in different directions. I came back and went out again three times or so because my hand was falling asleep.
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Bette

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Randy,

My fourteen year old daughter has had spontaneous OBE's for years. I have written about it on the board several times. She usually stays close to her physical body in her experiences. Mostly, she is in her bedroom, able to look at her sleeping body and observe her environment. She has also ended up out of body after falling asleep in a vehicle and after falling asleep in class.

Jeanne

I began experiencing Sleep Paralysis when I was 11. I was afraid to go to sleep.

nearly every night I would experience the hissing, pulsating, zingy rumbling noises, pressure and force upon my body and the 'presence' that Bette experienced. I would wake up my mother and father crying. My mum would patiently 'there, there' me until I fell asleep in their bed.

I was eventually marched to the doctors by my mother who in turn sent me to the hospital whereupon I had Temporal Lobe Epilepsy tests and a few brain scans. Nothing was appaerently wrong according to my GP, so I was sent home with a name to my affliction. RISP (Recurrent Isolated Sleep Paralysis), and given a course of Beta Blockers... Which I gave to my dad, who took them for high blood pressure.

Bless our beloved GPs for their amazing insight and ability to prescribe children really serious drugs.

The next time I had SP I again went crying to my mother, who instead of doing her job of 'mothering' told me to stop waking her up in the middle of the night because "Nothing's wrong with you Benny... Of course you can move... NOW BEHAVE"... best advice she gave me, although I hated her for a night and day.

The next time it happened I found I could move my hand through the bed... the next night the wall... and the next night I could sit up. After that I became obsessed with repeating it... and figured out what triggered it.

Since then I've induced it on a regular basis. I'm 37.

I've found no problem showing adults how to induce it. I would actually say that teens are more difficult to teach.

Jeanne,

I can relate to your daughter... sometimes I would get OOBEs at school or on the car journey to school... I assume this is when she had her 'car' experience... or not long after she woke up in the morning?

what is your method....if this is something that can be stated in this context

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I never told anyone about it, and during them I could not get help although part of the experience was always me trying to call out to my mom without any sound coming out. After I moved out and was living with a boyfriend at 15 I never could get any help then either as I was paralyzed while trying like crazy to wake him up although I did tell him what had happened afterward because I couldn't believe he couldn't tell I was going through that. :)
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Bette

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I use a nap or rather priming pre-sleep.

Like I mentioned... I was afraid of going to sleep when I was little... so I would hold off sleep for as long as I dared... but I would always slip into SP. This is because I would wake up for school... go to school... come home very tired... have something to eat... whatch a bit of TV... then fall asleep (nap)... I would wake up a few hours later... and again hold off sleep for as long as I dared... but I would always slip into SP.... I would wake up for school... go to school... come home very tired... have something to eat... whatch a bit of TV... then fall asleep (nap)... I would wake up a few hours later... etc.. and so on and so forth.

Napping in the evening and later using an imagined 'Mantra' while lying in bed is the method for inducing OOBE before sleep.

There are so many methods out there that describe 'how to'... but they don't explain that one needs to prime ones-self by having a pre-sleep.

It's also possible in the morning by setting an alarm 2 hours before you normally get up. Stay awake for 10 miutes to half an hour... then attempt to induce by repeating a a word, noise or phrase in your mind. Actually try to hear it. This will usually keep the mind occupied while the body slips into REM atonia. Being aware of this is called Sleep Paralysis... or 'Vibrational state'... depending on where you are coming from.

There are many ways of actually carrying your awareness through to REM atonia... I use the auditory one... and sometime tactile cues work. Now I just feel the time is right and 'separate'.

Awareness during REM atonia, before separation can be very frightening. It causes many to search for reasons... some reccount an 'abduction' scenario (an entirely different thread) and some find the 'presence' very unnerving enough to think they were being attacked by demons or being visited by a witch... it's very common... SP is the origin of the term 'nightmare'.

I found early on that the presence seems to be a sort of feedback... like holding a microphone to a speaker... one is sensing the fear of oneself sensing the fear of oneself sensing the fear.... etc.

People have witnessed me in the throws of SP... they reported I just seemed to be asleep but just breathing deeper... although from my point of view I was frantically trying to look behind me, scrambling to be noticed.

These days the SP is very subtle and I no longer hang about long enough to be bamboozled by its sensations.

I've been getting the sleep paralysis thing since I was 12. At first I thought it was a dreamlike way to simulate "pain." Like, if I got stung by a bee in dreamland i assumed the vibrations were there to "simulate pain," because you can't feel real pain in a dream. Eventually I started getting vibrations for no reason and I kind of ignored it. Then I thought I was being abducted by aliens (I used to watch those cable tv documentaries late at night so the vibrations scared me). You can bet that I avoided it as best I could.

At that age too, I used to be interested in lucid dreaming and I read that sleep paralysis and vibrations were natural when you try to exercise awareness in dreamland. So I just took it as that, and pretty much treated it like a minor nuisance.

It wasn't until some months ago when I read Robert Monroe's book, "Far Journeys" that I realized once and for all what the hell those vibrations were. And it helps that I just finished reading MBT last June.

This summer I've had two very brief, obe's. Like, I know could have more but I'm kind of a coward. I just want to get my feet wet before I start really exploring.

Thank you soo much for sharing this

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I used to have recurrent experiences when I was a kid too. I didn't know what was going on at the time though. I guess I was about 4 or 5 when they started.

If you are arriving from that side of the mountain, you would be better prepared for Tom's writings if you were to read some Bob Monroe for context.

You can also YouTube Bob/Robert Monroe, TMI

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I've read Monroe. Good stuff. I read his naive first book and didn't bother finishing the second one because he is merely promoting his stupid product that doesn't work. LOL! Encouraging people to use gadgets instead of inducing the OOBE state naturally is very bad advice btw. What a scam-artist.

And speaking of scam artists, everyone should keep in mind that FrEuD was actually Summerlander, returned in shallow disguise as someone else. It is not certain that that is the only additional name that he used as he is reported to do that on bulletin boards, pretending to be several persons who back each other up and are in full agreement while actually being just the one person but acting as a group for greater authority. Sort of like stuffing the ballot box in a local election.

Obviously a person of high quality consciousness and we should feel deprived in his absence!

Ted