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I suspect this will be intriguing, at minimum.

So does this alter MBT significantly? Or?
The speed of light is supposed to be the refresh rate of this VR yeah?

The possible refresh rate would need to be adjusted I suspect.

This mentions superliminalness http://projectcamelot.org/paul_laviolette.html
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This is a Tom kind of question and he is the physicist, I'm just an engineer. You are aware of his traveling and the illness of his grandson at present so for the moment he may not get around to answering this. But as I have said before, when I don't have an answer, I sometimes wake up with one. In this case, and just going on the simplistic explanation in WikiPedia where I stopped to check my memory of the facts: What I get from this and what little I remembered from before is that neutrinos interact the least with matter as they pass through.

Tom described the speed of light as resulting from the refresh rate of the 'screen pixels' in effect of the PMR simulation. Tom speaks metaphorically, and humorously, of the refresh rate of the screen pixels while what he is actually referring to is the amount of calculation required to deal with (do the calculations related to) a photon within that pixel (VR node point). If a neutrino interacts less strongly than any other form of "matter", then it takes less calculation to determine whether it interacts and to portray it as it moves from one 'screen pixel'/VR node to another "at least in some circumstances" as they said about it possibly and sometimes traveling faster than the speed of light, based on this new and as yet unconfirmed results. To me anyway this sounds like the reason that a neutrino can possibly move faster than a photon. Since the neutrino like a photon is not physical but a calculated thing in this VR, then it would seem like the amount of calculation required for its representation would be significant in terms of its ability to be represented as moving from one 'pixel' of the VR to another 'pixel'. Occurring in the lowest/smallest fractal level of the VR, it doesn't even have to be calculated except as lost in the probability of higher fractal levels when no one is 'looking' with appropriate detector equipment.

I would say that this new physics result is actually entirely in agreement with MBT. Tom just never having had a reason to mention it before since no one believed it possible for anything to move faster than a photon previous to this new research result. And they aren't even sure yet and are asking for others to reproduce their work.

This at least is my answer, whether and until Tom agrees when he is available to comment. After further thought and seeing further reactions by physicists, I think that this is actually a confirmation of the Virtual Reality, computed non physical, nature of PMR. It links the special behavior of neutrinos in these circumstances, if confirmed, to the computational requirements for their display within the simulation compared to the computational requirements for the simulation of photons. Of course, we don't know the details of those requirements, but that a particle that interacts so minimally with other matter would be less difficult to calculate versus photons which interact relatively readily seems like a reasonable assumption.

Ted

Good answer Ted, it makes sense to me. Less computation required = faster it can go. Also, we need to keep in mind this hasn't been confirmed yet whatsoever.

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There will be a webcast at 16:00 CEST (less than 30 min away) on the results.

http://webcast.cern.ch/

Here is the paper: http://arxiv.org/abs/1109.4897v1

I wonder how they can explain that the neutrinos from Supernova 1987A arrived to Earth based on the speed of light. If the neutrinos speed would have been the same as measured in the OPERA experiment, they would have arrived a few years (instead of 3 hours) before the light from the supernova reached us. Maybe some possible superluminal neutrinos did hit us a few years before, but we were unable to detect them or connect the data.

I hope the experiment can be reproduced soon.

Thanks for the restatement of Tom's take, as you understand, on the topic, Ted.

I noted in one of the various articles I read, a quote that 'lots of things will have to be adjusted'. I don't think, that will be the case for Tom, or MBT ;-)

I hope replications or refutations are soon, also.

For those of a statistical bent (which doesn't include me!), here's an analysis hot off the press in favour of CERN's results, by John Costella, who was initially a critic of their interpretation, and had called them an "embarrassing gaffe". He has been shown a different way of analysing the data, and is now convinced the CERN conclusion is correct, even though the new analysis differs from CERN's own, thus justifying further experiments:

http://johncostella.webs.com/neutrino-blunder.pdf

I am in no position to comment either way!

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Just as Newtonian physics were limited and only able to go so far in describing the "nature of our reality". Einstein, while not destroying newtonian physics, expanded on Newton, and took us to the next level. But while Einstein gave us much to think about over the last hundred years, taking us right to the door of consciousness, ( eg. referring to non-local communication as "spooky action at a distance") but failing to go through the door. Einstein did consistantly point us in the right direction

Breaking through the barrier of "C" (the "constant" speed of light) is just the beginning (IMO), and a HUGE step towards going past Einstein. After a hundred years it is about time we go to the next level of understanding, And I, personally, have always felt that Quantum physics (and the world of the very small) will show us a more acurate picture of the TRUE nature of our "reality. Where everything is neither "matter" nor "energy", but just a probability distribution, and where consciousness is, like quantum entanglement, "non-local". We may be looking at the beginnings of the "new paradigm". We may be on the verge of uniting science and "spirit". What a privelidge to be here to see the exploration of consciousness and the science of consciousness based reality. What an exciting time to be alive.

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Question: If The CERN report of neutrinos traveling faster than c turns out to be true, does that have an effect on MBT theory?

The answer is "no, it does not".

MBT states that Delta-t and Delta-V must be practical constants -- that is constant enough to keep our VR space and time (at rest) consistent (isotropic and homogeneous to the extent that our experience/measurements can measure). The cube root of Delta-V (which is a distance) divided by Delta-t is equal to a practical constant that represents the fastest speed that information can travel through the VR (whatever number that turns out to be). In other words, MBT says that the fastest speed that information can travel through the VR will appear to us, at the experiential level, to be a constant and thus invariant under the motion of its source.

The fastest speed that information can travel through the VR is now believed to be the velocity of light "c". The experiment at CERN does not claim to have accelerated a particle (neutrino) to a speed faster than the velocity of light. That would violate Einstein’s special relativity). CERN claims only that some of the products of a collision (specifically a neutrino – at least a neutrino by the time it reaches the distant detector) has moved between two locations faster than light speed. Those are not necessarily the same thing -- for an off the top of my head example, tachyons as intermediate particles could be involved. We will just have to wait a while to see how the dust settles on this matter -- it could be a big discovery... maybe not -- still too early to tell. In any case, it has no affect on MBT theory.

Ted's thought that neutrinos may possibly travel faster than light because they consume fewer cycles of computation is a good possibility. We will see how it all works out.

Tom

Thanks Tom!

There is a difference between speed limit of a VR and speed of a particle. Photons might not be the fastest particles in this reality frame, so what?

For your information to those with continuing interest in this topic, Brian Whitworth has provided his comments on how the VR might be calculated and provide neutrinos moving faster than light based upon his analysis and ongoing series of papers which are referenced in the Best Links section of the BB. Tom recently posted a link to Brian's latest paper, not in the series but an overview paper for another purpose, and I posted Brian's comments in that thread, particularly because he references that paper in his e-mail. Here is a link to that post. viewtopic.php?f=9&t=6395&p=46279#p46279

Ted

The experiment has been repeated with improvements. They still say that they find that neutrinos have been found in this experimental setup to move faster than light.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-15791236

Ted

Could it be that the smallest bits of this PMR reality behave more like the larger NPMR displaying consciousness as non-local, and exposing the illusion of space-time?

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