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PostPosted: Mon Oct 03, 2011 7:43 am 
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I did a quick search, but didn't find this... so I'm gonna post it. :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=alcav1Ox9bg

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The Collective Evolution 2: The Human Experience is a documentary focused on showing each of the dimensions to the experience we call life. The documentary does this by addressing exactly who we all are, and why we are here. It further delves into each of the key pieces that make up the human puzzle, namely the planet, the body, and the ego. The documentary concludes by addressing the shift in consciousness that has already begun and continues to intensify on the planet. It's intention is to further provide the viewer with the tools and understanding it needs to step out of current limitations and instead experience the infinite potentiality we are all capable of.


I've just watched the first little bit so far... but I'm loving it, and it seems to be idea-for-idea MBT. :)

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 03, 2011 10:12 am 
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Superficially. Lacks the big picture and the end I can do without.

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one thing that puzzles me is the question why NPMR(1?) management would go to all the trouble of setting up this OS, taking great care to conceal the workings behind the simulation, then suddenly decide, oh, what the hell, lets just spill the beans

Tom alludes to this following idea in the trilogy, that technology is or is close to getting beyond the capacity for our corporate consciousness to handle, and that MBTOE is a nudge, meant to have a significant impact...possibly after many generations

I suspect that PMRs are optimized for maximum learning, and that when technology gets too far ahead of consciousness, the system can become maloptimally unstable...and a Mad Max scenario could unfold, undermining the effectiveness of the simulation

it makes me wonder...just how important is this, perhaps very important

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 03, 2011 2:00 pm 
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I've watched it for awhile, and after that I've listened to Franco DeNicolo on 2012 changes.

It has some similarities to MBT, only a difference to me is, that MBT is not New Age, and Franco DeNicolo and Collective Evolution are leaning toward New Age. This is only my subjective view, and of course I can be wrong.

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one thing that puzzles me is the question why NPMR(1?) management would go to all the trouble of setting up this OS, taking great care to conceal the workings behind the simulation, then suddenly decide, oh, what the hell, lets just spill the beans



The 'beans' remain unspilled for most. Nobody 'gets it' if they are not ready to, or it just floats in one ear or out the other.

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I do not 'know' but what I have been told and observed is not that the "management" decided to 'spill the beans' as it were. It is my understanding that the nature of this reality has never in a real sense been a secret. After all, mystics and shamans have always had some contact with the 'reality behind the reality'. The Buddha certainly did as I think that Illusion translates very well into Virtual Reality as a pre scientific revolution metaphor versus a post scientific revolution metaphor. And there have been those like the Teachers for quite some time, providing some insight.

What seems to have happened is that some group in a position to do so set up a plan, whether as management or as conspirators or just as very high quality IUOCs. That plan included prepping Uncle Tom as an 'operative' to do his thing and create an understanding and transmit it of how things work as a simplified model. Sort of a metaphysical James Bond. Both because the time was ripe and discoveries made here in PMR science pointing to the truth and because appropriate nudges were imparted, many working physicists and other scientists began to catch on that consciousness had a lot to do with how the world wags. Whether any can be considered as 'operatives' in the same sense as Uncle Tom is not known but also moot. How much of this was planning and how much of this was taking advantage of developing circumstances we individually might never know. How long it takes for this to spread and become the new paradigm, some of you will see. Others like me are unlikely to live that long.

We live in interesting times.

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I posted this elsewhere too... but I wanna share it here as well:

I like the parts in the first video where they talk about our earth and system being a reflection of ourselves. I believe that to be true.
I don't believe that the "animals" are part of that system though. I believe that they are each, their own separate consciousness.

I like the parts where they're referring to how we who experience this reality have possibly changed it accordingly to match whatever it is we want to experience. Like changing how we need to "consume" food and "sleep" in order to survive. I can see and feel how that might have an inkling of truth behind it. I'm not saying I believe it outright, but I can see and understand the possibility of that being how it once was.

As per the video, and with an open mind and heart I've been trying sun-gazing... with my own twist. If I can change my own paradigms back to "original programming", as they say, I can further change them to however I want them to be. Doing a bit of research, I don't believe for a second that "staring directly at the sun" is a good thing... staring off to the side a bit is okay, but I believe you can absorb the energy just by facing it... eyes open or closed. I'm invoking Campbell's paradigm here in that using my Intent and focusing on the sun in any manner I wish to attain the desired goal.

Anyway, my point here is that the video has some good points that I vastly and firmly agree with... stuff that I know, personally as truth. Then there are other things about it which leave me scratching my head and thinking "wtf are you guys smoking?". hehe

Although, after all this is said and done... I still maintain that spiritual growth can and will happen in the people who choose to see it and who choose to move towards it. There isn't much beyond the "self" which can stop spiritual growth entirely. Living through a crappy system such as what we current exist in, might not be ideal, but it doesn't stop growth from happening. How do I know this? Because people ARE growing spiritually even in the midst of this system.

Unlike the video, I don't believe spirituality can be destroyed. But it does make Spirituality into being a CHOICE. You can be locked in a 9 - 5 job... and STILL make much progress in your spiritual side. And if you really think about it, if the goal of this reality is to drop the ego and grow even more spiritually... then this reality is already setup PERFECTLY to do this. But, it requires a choice to be made... a conscious choice to free yourself from the ego by resisting the urges that our ego has to be fed by this reality.

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[quote="Ryan"]

yo Canuck!

I believe that they are each, their own separate consciousness. -
Tom believes this too, though some lower forms may have one conciousness for the entire species I think

As per the video, and with an open mind and heart I've been trying sun-gazing - please exercise common sense and don't physically expose the eye to direct sunlight

Living through a crappy system such as what we current exist in, might not be ideal - crappy compared to what? compared to some idea of an ideal fantasy world you acquired as a child? or an idea that ipads and cars should just be given to you without you having to make an effort? Beware of the glass is 1% empty syndrome. You can reset this misconceptions by spending an hour in the cancer waiting room or travelling.

You can be locked in a 9 - 5 job... and STILL make much progress in your spiritual side.
- better than a 7-7, 7 days per week job which most people on the planet have, or no job! all of these inconveniences are intentionally built into the simulation as challenges to overcome

And if you really think about it, if the goal of this reality is to drop the ego and grow even more spiritually... then this reality is already setup PERFECTLY to do this. But, it requires a choice to be made... a conscious choice to free yourself from the ego by resisting the urges that our ego has to be fed by this reality. - I think you can form a general intent in this regard, though understanding what this is may be harder than it looks, and then there is the moment by moment grind of reaching for better intent with each interaction or decision

intent->decision->action->results->feedback->self modification->intent->decision

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kroeran wrote:
intent->decision->action->results->feedback->self modification->intent->decision
With your occasional rinse and repeat, huh? :)
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bette wrote:
kroeran wrote:
intent->decision->action->results->feedback->self modification->intent->decision
With your occasional rinse and repeat, huh? :)
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In an (almost) infinite loop. :)

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kroeran wrote:
Living through a crappy system such as what we current exist in, might not be ideal - crappy compared to what? compared to some idea of an ideal fantasy world you acquired as a child? or an idea that ipads and cars should just be given to you without you having to make an effort? Beware of the glass is 1% empty syndrome. You can reset this misconceptions by spending an hour in the cancer waiting room or travelling.

Oh, what I mean by crappy is that most people seem ruled by the $$... and are willing to rape each other and the Earth to attain more of it. I find that crappy. :/


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You can be locked in a 9 - 5 job... and STILL make much progress in your spiritual side. - better than a 7-7, 7 days per week job which most people on the planet have, or no job! all of these inconveniences are intentionally built into the simulation as challenges to overcome

I guess I was putting it easy.. LoL.
Yes, your scenarios are definitely even worse... no doubt.

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That seems just about accurate to me too. :)

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Oh, what I mean by crappy is that most people seem ruled by the $$... and are willing to rape each other and the Earth to attain more of it. I find that crappy. :/


I hope you take this with good intent...I like how you think...just trying to push your buttons a bit. I should have acknowledged above that your core observation, that spirituality can advance in spite of the 9-5 grind...is essentially valid and actually very advanced from where I sit. I would push on to saying the 9-5 grind, or clients to serve or a crop that demands tending, is essential to spiritual advancement.

getting back into it...ok, so, crappy people rather than crappy system?

I think Tom would suggest that all these actors on the stage are provided for the express purpose of developing your quality, and their egoism and materialism is an essential part of your development process, and your only concerns in this drama are your behaviors and reactions to these challenges, and that the only way to change these behaviors of your inferiors is to interact with these crappy people with the best intent you can muster.

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The system is not bad (crappy) or good (perfect). It simply is, and since each of us is it, where is our personal place in the system? Are we good, bad, or so-so? Ask yourself, am I an object or a subject at this given moment? Am I the observer, or am I being observed? What about observer is observed?

All of us had a zero point in our development. Could we say for sure what have we done to get where we are now? How many times we were ugly and disgusting before this incarnation? What about this life, do I have anything done this time, that I should be ashamed of? What was and is my contribution to the growth of this system? There are much more questions to ask, when you are facing yourself, when you looking into yourself. Count your 'yae' and 'nay' in a privacy of your meditation, and that's all.

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kroeran and Lena,

I don't have much to add to what is said in the above two posts...
Except to say, thank you very much for the much needed perspective. :)

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Is anyone else wary of this Franco DeNicolo fellow? My spidy senses get all tingly when I hear someone talk about themselves as fully evolved soul. He seems like a nice fellow, and he has nice things to say, and a lot of it makes sense, but you cant make me drink the cool aid.

That said, I like what these people are doing. I like where their heart is at, I just wish they could do it with out having a self described evolved soul. It makes it that much harder to show my friends without them thinking I'm going to join a cult.

P.S. Couldn't they have just got Tom to help them out. He seems a bit more legit.

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