I mean how many realities are there above our reality? If everything is virtual, there must be some Reality that created it. There must be some reality that caused the chain effect of virtual realities within virtual realities.

Is reality perhaps the nothingness that created all these virtual realities?

PS,

There is the Consciousness System and Virtual Realities of the NPMR type and Virtual Realities of the PMR type. The idea of being 'above' our VR level is only a metaphor. At what level of information are you starting from so that we may know best how to extend your understanding?

Ted

Hi there. Thanks for reply.

I'm not sure what the level of information I'm starting at. It seems to be at the border of this physical reality and maybe even the dream reality. Since the idea I got from a dream experience, the calmness in between life and death.

These are my current thoughts:
The more things I want to do, or intent, the more things are left undone. So in order to leave nothing undone, I intent nothing and everything at all times is done at the same time.

Its hard to explain, but is this nothingness perhaps the consciousness system that gives birth to all "realities"?

I think I understand what Tom means when he says that our reality is virtual.

Unfortunately, the working definition most people have of "virtual" implies that if this is a virtual universe, there must be a "real" universe somewhere corresponding to it.

Some religions declare that we have our existence in "the mind of God". I think this is also a way of describing the essence of our reality as virtual, while the "mind" behind it is what is actually real.

Another metaphor, that I came up with to help me get a grasp of what Tom is talking about when he declares our reality to be "virtual", is that of an author/creator of a fictional reality. For example, Gene Roddenberry's mind originally created the universe/reality of Star Trek. Over the decades, it has been expanded by many other minds, but there is a "rule set" so to speak, set forth by Roddenberry, that defines the universe/reality of Star Trek. To many Trekkies, Roddenberry's universe is very real. But it is also "virtual" because this shared reality exists only in our minds. In this sense, "Captain Kirk" is virtual. He is only represented by William Shatner, the actor.

The universe of "Star Wars" also "exists" for us, having an original "rule set" that has been expanded upon over the decades. The same can be said for the world in which "Harry Potter" exists. In this way, they are virtual, having their existences and their "reality" in "the mind".

So, in terms of Star Trek,as IUOC's, we are sort of like small pieces of Gene Roddenberry, having free will and living in the universe of Star Trek, being both creator and character at the same time.

This idea is also metaphorical and missing the mark in many ways, but it gets us away from thinking that if this is a "virtual reality" then where is the "real reality".

Jeanne

PS,

One way to think of it is that the idea of an independent, objective reality, is (regardless of whether such a thing actually exists) an largely anthropocentric conceptual construction. Given that, it becomes sensible to move to a 'zero-based' existentialism, and simply ask yourself 'What is happening now? What does it mean? What shall I do as a consequence?'

In fact, we are simply conscious beings that sense, can process data, and act. we perceive the world through our senses, including the sense of language, if you care to phrase it so .... tales about objective reality are simply reflections of the structures of someone else's modeling. Models are, almost definition, never complete.

Maybe a less wordy way to say something close to the same thing is to simply say "Meet your own experience and wrestle with it, make sense of it; If objective reality exists, that would be the main path to it."

-Montana

To my understanding what is real is information or data. Consciousness is being used as the term or metaphor representing a nonphysical digital information system that is foundational and is what is real. It's all data. All frames of Reality are virtual the only realness is nonphysical digital information.
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Bette

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Besides MBT theory and practice there is another author that i shop ideas from. He is into consciousness and Reality Arena just as much as Tom Campbell is, but has observed and drawn his conclusions from a different, more subtle angle. He writes in his books: Reality is in "the eye" of the beholder. There is no objective reality nor one particular universe in and of itself. What we consider reality is simply the form that a certain mind, the mind of an observer composes from the shapeless chaos. Separately or collectively each mind creates reality. Each possible action a mind carries out gives birth to the corresponding reality which immediately springs from that choice. So since in any case there is an almost infinite amount of choices, a mind - The mind of the observer in the broad sense of the word - can bring forth any kind of reality he so well pleases. In short, there is what you decide there is.

PS,

What I was asking about comes down to reading MBT or something else in depth. I suggest that you try reading here on the Wiki. http://wiki.my-big-toe.com/index.php/In ... _MBT_Model This is Tom's model of reality as Consciousness Space and many Virtual Realities, explaining how it developed and consciousness arose. It is all real. Virtual does not mean unreal, it means not physical or physical as the case may be but existing within your mind as you interpret the data stream that provides the VR experience and also all of the interactions from the other participants. If you can follow that explanation, you will have a very good place to discuss from further as you have questions. I have written details out about the model in very simple form numerous times but it seems to make more sense now for you to read all of this. That's just the way you come across to me as likely to get the most from this approach.

Ted

Thanks for the link, I think I should really read TOE. Can't buy it though. Its not available in american book center. Pretty new book I assume.

Here is a link to the book online. http://books.google.com/books?id=6To090 ... rs&f=false
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Bette

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Can we read the whole thing on pdf for free? That is awesome :)

PS,

It is not a PDF and available for download. That is books.google so it is in their format, fully available because Tom set it up to be fully rather than partially available and you can search the contents. Not the same as a PDF but very generous of Tom. He values your learning higher than selling another book. I do suggest ordering from Tom's web site direct for international shipment as there is nothing like making a book fully your own by putting your notes and comments to yourself and special insights in the margins for later reference as you read. You can then carry it with you and not have to be in front of a computer either. It is also a book that you are likely to find yourself re reading and even more than just a second time. The book has been out since 2001 as I remember. Not having an international publishing house behind it with their contacts and access to reviewers and such, it does not grow as fast as they can push something but it was not necessary for Tom to rewrite to their specifications either. As I understood it, they wanted a lot of rewriting to fully fit the New Age genre and make it more salable as fitting into an existing pigeonhole for them to take it up rather than being part metaphysics, part science, part anything but New Age in truth. So Tom paid the price of doing it the hard way.

The Wiki is where we hope that we will eventually have the ultimate metaphysical reference without any compromise, presuming that we can find the time to complete our plans. Then you can read the books for an over all and especially beginners view. Then you participate in the board to clarify questions and expand your understanding and finally, you will have the Wiki for reference and for the best reference material that we can provide from all sources for the deepest possible understanding.

Ted

Yes, it is the entire book for free online. I concur on the awesomeness factor. :)

Ted can you please redundantly give the link for the Wiki again here? Thank you.
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Bette

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Sure, Bette. The main page of the Wiki is here: http://wiki.my-big-toe.com/index.php/Main_Page The page I referenced above for PS to possibly read about the model (and the sequence following) is here: http://wiki.my-big-toe.com/index.php/In ... _MBT_Model

Ted

Pigeonsaurus,
Hi, and welcome.
These are excellent questions, and you are not alone in the asking. We are all seeking the same answers, so you are welcome to join us in our efforts to understand this "virtual" reality and attempt to comprehend what is actually "REAL" and what is "illusion" (virtual).
The wonderful thing about Toms "BIG TOE" is that it is very much based in science, even though it includes the "paranormal" and "mystical" as being "normal" parts of this "Physical matter reality" ruleset. But, If it is an entirely "objective" reality that that you seek, you may have some difficulty finding it. And if you read Toms book "MBT" you will see that all attempts to separate the observer from what is observed have been met with much difficulty. Even if it isnt the actual ACT of taking the measurement that determines what is measured but, possibly, the examination of the data measured, that determines what is reality. We are, aparently, participating in every event and phenomenon that we observe. It seems to come back to the old question: If a tree falls in the forest, and nobody is there to see it, does it make a sound?

It is, not the simple fact that MBT contains all the answers that makes it so special to me. It is the fact that it did not conflict with everything that I discovered on my own BEFORE reading it, and ever since. The fact that it is based in science (and Tom, being a physicist, should understand " The double slit experiment" better than I, has arrived at very similar Understandings as I have, based on the data. Read MBT, look into Quantum theory, Relativity, and the laws of Physics and the laws of thermodynamics, (collect the data, and do the experiments). Keep an open mind and remain skeptical.

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