Now I understand in the metaphysical world there are demons and or other entities that could possibly hi jack your body. If Jesus exists his concioussness is it really the end of times? I heard he is back and there is a God, and satan element to this and for his safety wanted to find out what Mr Campbell thinks. And returning to the body is another concern for me. Help a brother out?

Danoto,

You misunderstand or have not encountered yet the very basic concepts of Tom Campbell's metaphysics. What exists is the underlying Consciousness System in which we all exist as digital consciousnesses. If you wish to use a terminology including the concept of a God as existing, then much as many mystics have understood for all ages, we all together as our digital consciousnesses are integral parts of that One Consciousness which you choose to call God, functioning together as that One Union of everything. Then we as individual consciousnesses are permitted to function within these Virtual Realities of PMR and also NPMR where we appear to be separate and here in PMR, appear to be physical. Within Virtual Realities, we interpret what we experience based upon our past history. That is, our experience is subjective. This leads some to think in terms of demons, devils and also angels. But all that exists in fact are other consciousnesses basically just like our selves, some with vastly more and some with less capability. We interact but we are inherently non physical so we cannot be taken over by others. There is no concept of an end of times. Even if this VR becomes unusable for some reason, there are many others where we can and do experience lives much like we do here.

Ted

We just function in the different VR frames Ted, why do you say we are "permitted" because it is misleading and not accurate? We function in different VR frames period as I see it and don't need permission because there is no creator there is the Larger Consciousness System of which we are all parts. Do you even realize how you are putting it?
Love
Bette

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Consciousness.

Hi Danoto0l and welcome to Tom's MBT discussion forums. Do you believe everything you hear? :)
Love
Bette

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All That Is
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Consciousness.

Bette,

I state that we are permitted to participate in the VRs because that is exactly the way that it was. First the developing nature of the CS permitted a meta reality to develop that provided the free will necessary to The One Consciousness to develop and to metamorphose into AUM. The One Consciousness became AUM as it created the VRs in order to provide free will possibilities for us as IUOCs, first as NPMRs and then as PMRs where the development rate is higher with the higher interaction rate and intensity. We were very much permitted to experience these VRs as The One Consciousness first had to 'think' of the idea and then purposely create the VRs for our use to turn us from proto-IUOCs into actual IUOCs within the VRs. If The One Consciousness had chosen to remain as it was, contemplating its navel as it were or the lack therof, we would never have come into existence as IUOCs but have remained the proto-IUOCs that we were originally as part of the structure of The One that permitted it to have the free will aspects and communication within its total self that led to Consciousness and becoming The One. So we were very much permitted to become conscious based upon the free will choice of The One Consciousness. If It had chosen differently, we need not have ever come into existence as Individuated Units Of Consciousness but instead remained simply the integral parts of AUM that we also are where we have no consciousness of how we function.

The Larger Consciousness System itself has no creator, or at least none that can possibly be known to us. We as IUOCs do very much have a creator as The One Consciousness deliberately chose to perform those actions which caused us to come into being as IUOCs rather than just remaining integral and unconscious parts of Itself. There is no way to get around The One Consciousness as our Creator.

Ted

Permitted by whom?
Love
Bette

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Consciousness.

God and the Devil and even Jesus, if you must, exist within yourself. Tame that and you are well on your way in my opinion. but I mean you have to tame all three not just the Devil.

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Bette,

Permitted by The One Consciousness as stated. If The One Consciousness had not created VRs for us to participate in and providing us with free will so that we can develop into the IUOCs that we are, we would exist only as bounded sub sets of the vast cellular automaton that is Consciousness Space. We exist as IUOCs rather than as mindless bits of the whole of Consciousness Space because The One Consciousness made it possible, i. e. permitted, for it to be so.

From the Merriam-Webster on line dictionary:Note specifically meaning number 3.

Ted

I find agreement with both of you.

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Then just say "makes possible" and be crystal clear. :)

I find agreement in you Beau.<3
Love to both of you,
Bette

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Consciousness.

Say i was going to go hang out at a friends house with some friends and a guy comes by, brings a bunch of beer, really nice, tells great jokes, insist on doing favors for you.

Then then next day, Insist you owe him for that, wants you to send a life of mowing his grass, cleaning his car. Or he is going to call cops and put you in jail for eternity.

Then i would be like F""" that guy. cuse im not a P""""

"Im not fully sure what that means, it just came out natural and was really funy to me, I think no body Is a P"""","


*But Through out man kind history every body is scared of something. Along time ago that was, Dragons, Gobblins, The Sun God, Zues, Nowdays its Devil/Bearded God, People in india fear a Tiger God cuse Tiger eat lots of people"
In future once times have changed people will Fear Robotic Drones, Or Alien God's.
It all depends on how much fear one posses, no matter where on earth or what time period they were born they would be just as convinced of any of the above mentioned Mosters.

*In fairness, Sure there are Grumpy entites that are so grumpy they only find meaning in existence when they harm others. They are to me alot like Childern throwing a temper tantrum who pretend to be power full super hero who makes people give them what they want." (their only power is convincing you to think/manifest what they want through fear, to add potential of them getting it) this process is not an instant thing, it takes a lot of effert and fear, to get where that thing has complete controll to munipliate you into manifesting what it desires.

(this strangly is the same Process Religions Use)

[on a not nessary either deeper note]
Tom talks about how he sets up/programs an if/then conditional. Where he helps people in NPMR and when they thank him his awarness does not/did not do it. This leads me to conclude that all the Ideas/Fears/Myths/even truths Feared/ can create V repersentations that people some times experience by thier expectations. Thus making it convincing to them adding to the, Huge fear engine.

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"...call the cops and put you in jail for eternity" can only be used as a manipulator if you think that is not a totally illogical threat. I mean I understand the justice system is broken and people are set-up all the time but if you aren't doing anything that wrong then why would you let a person saying that not just roll right off your back?

I am unable to understand your point Ter can you help me please?
Love
Bette

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Consciousness.

The words "angels" and "demons" are useful metaphors for describing "beings (and critters) of varied levels of consciousness, and intent.

Just like here in PMR, there are many different kinds of entities. Most are harmless enough, some are more mischievous, a few are truly "GOOD" (low entropy, highly evolved), wishing only the best (love, joy, learning, sharing). And a few may be truly "BAD" (less evolved, high entropy) wishing to do harm or to manipulate (usually through fear/anger)
There are some nasty beings (and critters) that can try and manipulate you into acting "selfishly" through the use of fear.

If anyone can instill fear in your consciousness its like they install a "handle" with which you can be controlled and manipulated. If your "mind" is manipulated, then your "body" will follow.

It is very common for fear to be a major obstacle to "growth" and it is a common fear to worry about "returning to the body", but Tom has mentioned that "...you dont need to get out of your body. Your consciousness is ALREADY out of your body. You NEED to get into your consciousness".
The real action is HERE and NOW. Its not "out there" on the "Astral Plane". This is where the real "growth" occurs. The psychic phenomena is usually associated with the "rewards" of growth.

People are generally NOT given more than they can handle (in terms of psychic phenomena and OOBEs)
Try not to rely on belief (other peoples description of what is true) . Find your OWN truth. Whether or not it includes " Angels and demons" is not important, and completely subjective. Do the footwork. Gather the data. Do experiments. Test your (tentative) results. Delay the conclusions. Be open minded and remain skeptical. Nobody can GIVE you the TRUTH. No one can give you the answer. But, If you seek it you will find your own.

Fear is the main obstacle, but...

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peace
patrick

I just typed that first part quickly with out using intelect, and it made me laugh i didn't have an opion or understand it completely my self. Its abstrat not litteral, not about cops arresting ablity.

"some one telling you they will burn you in a pit of fire for all time seems way more outrageous" that should dinatly roll off of peoples backs."

zoomed out the global concept was,
Religion, First convinces people they did something for them. Then say you must pay up or else. it kinda is an ahole move, My nabor would allways do this, Put a "vote for so-in-so sign" in other nabors yard then make you pay him for it. lol

He is like 300 lb biker dude, the nabors who were intimidate(needy/scared) things would only get worse. He then would buy fire works on 4th shoot them off then make those nabors pay him. Or borrow something brake it and make you buy him a new one.

{Im thinking about starting a relgion for my family} (fiction)
I killed my favorite puppy who was sooo sweet, my whole family loved him. So the rest of my family would not have nightmares, Even tho they cleary desivered that for being nervous and shy and angry all the time.

Now for what i did and sacrafice for them I have a huge list of demands, that will over time consume my family to the point they will do anything i will, ANd if they dont I had no choice but to Train a big mean Pitbull, To sik them and torture them.
You brought this on your selves!!!!

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Yeah what a scam.
Love
Bette

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All That Is
what is?
Consciousness.