Hi everybody! I'm new to this forum and this is my first post - I'm sorry if posted in the wrong section.

A very short introduction: I'm a 20 year young man from Denmark. Got into self-development and spirituality from a young age. I got My Big TOE recommended recently, and ever since i decided to read a few pages, a get some epiphanies literally from page to page. Since english is not my native language, it is difficult to comprehend, and i consider the writing style to be rather complex. None-the-less, absoutely fantastic book, and i'm very glad i started reading this from a young age.


One term i have a difficult time to understand is "entropy". I read just beyond page 197 or something like that, in where Thomas explains it. Still, i have troubles understanding it on a deep level. Can somebody help, and explain this, maybe more simply ?

I hope this isn't a too dumb question. Any spelling and grammar mistakes are free (:

Thank you!
Mads

Dalight,

Entropy refers to the measure of disorder within a system. It is a technical term from engineering and physics but is also now applied to information theory in not quite the same way but still on this same general basis. In physical systems involving energy flow and transformation, entropy always increases and it essentially comes down to a limitation on the amount of work one can do from a given reservoir of energy. In communication or information theory, it has other slightly different meanings. The general idea regarding MBT is that within your digital mind as an IUOC, there is unusable capacity because of entropy or disorder. Think in terms of your brain for easy visualization. Think of having areas attacked by something like Alzheimer's syndrome that do not work. Think of having experiences in past lives that prepare you to be suspicious and distrustful of everyone that you come into contact with. Think of similar experiences that prepare you to think of being more important than others and that they are there to serve you and for you to make use of. All of these things would be examples of disorder and higher entropy stated in as simple a terms as I can think of.

This is exactly the place that was set up for people who are new here to ask whatever they wish to know without worrying as to whether it is well asked or not.

Ted

Hi Dalight and welcome to Tom's MBT discussion forums. It's better to ask now than to read without understanding but you will probably understand anyways by the time you have finished the book(s). Welcome again.
Love to you and yours,
Bette

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Hey Mads,

What a surprise to find another Dane here, and even with the same age!

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Kan du skrive en besked til mig her på forummet? Vil meget gerne tale eller skrive med dig, og kan også forklare de forskellige koncepter såsom entropi :), jeg er sikker på vi har en masse af tale om!

- Runi

Runi,

You are a physicist. Did I get it close enough (it has been many years) and will you fill him in further if you feel it necessary?

Ted

Yes, you description is excellent (by the way, I'm not a physicist, but relatively new student, thanks though!). I will explain it to him in our native language, and hopefully talk about more :)

Thank you everybody for the very kind reception!

Ted, that did clear alot of things up, thank you!
Runi, i will send you a pm ;)

one issue in the forefront of my mind these days is the bifurcation of entropy and effectiveness, and theme that comes up in Tom's words

thinking aloud here...entropy is the IUOC integrating with AUM, and effectiveness is the FWAU integrating with PMR

love is merely reducing the entropy/inefficiency regarding our integration with the NPMR whole, or manifold

it is a potentiality void that we moving toward by interating through the intent->decision->action->feedback->self modification process

it is a void in the sense that we as low entropy entities already exist as an unactualized almost inevitable vector, but like the figure in the raw stone, the carver has to chisel it out, and life experience is the chisel upon our raw stone

most of us are close to raw stone and are being subject to harsh and crude treatment

others are near completion and are being gingerly polished close to the factory door

the incoming raw stone is as exciting and valuable to the carver as the finished statue

but a finished statue is not a thing of great personal appearance, likely does not drive a sharp car, and may or may not have much in the way of PMR power

low entropy is a subtle, invisible to most, thing, a way of reacting to situations at the soul level, reacting automatically rather than reacting at the mental (civil society) level

so if I want to see extraordinary low entropy in a spiritual organization, I look first to the back of the room and the person quietly serving sandwiches

PMR effectiveness, is a completely independent variable, which only has NPMR (significant) consequence when animated by sufficient low entropy toward an AUMish goal.

for example, MBTOE, as a bait cutting exercise, has the goal of reminding PMR-kind of the feedback mechanism, this reminding process taking place at the mental level, likely required due to the life cycle of the current religious and spiritual systems reaching their best before dates and becoming spectacularly ineffective with left hemispheric dominant FWAUs, which is dangerous for the effectiveness of the simulation

these "lefties" tend to be disproportionately effective PMRwise, and the dissassociation of the lefties from NPMR feedback and their disproportionate power, will likely disturb the stability of the simulation going forward without a course correction - as Tom says, MBTOE is "spirituality for the rest of us"...but the joke is that it may actually be true.

for this bait cutting exercise, extraordinary PMR effectiveness becomes possibly more important than extraordinary low entropy for its workers, but in the end, it must obtain low entropy traction to be successfull - it must generate change at the soul level of its target audience - which is the ultimate performance measurement variable

or course, the quality of conversation on the shore, and the love we demonstrate to each other, while we are cutting bait, is fishing too, and more importantly, is a prerequisite for the credibility of the project

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I was hoping someone would form the first MBTOE "bookclub" at some location in PMR where a couple of TOE-heads are within easy driving distance

anyone interested in being the St. Peter of the new millenium? anyone? Bueller?

this of course will stimulate wails of protest...but if we don't form the new organization while Tom is around to make constructive criticism, I assure you some asshole will

fyi - Tom was completely open to the idea of a "bookclub" for people to meet who are in geographic proximity - the exact words as I recall were "there are no restrictions"

if one was to follow the North Carolina protocol/precedent, it would be a blend of book discussion, meditation, healing (focussed intent) and socializing.

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Randy Lynda has done the book club thing and has a monthly (I think) meeting up near Boston. Actually someone on facebook I didn't know messaged me and asked me, well told me I know about Tom and he lives near Lynda so I hooked them up. The lovely couple from the get together (my bad names thing sorry lovely couple) are meeting with her as well as the Renaissance man Adam I believe. That's what I understand to be happening anyways. It's started...;)
Love
Bette

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nice assist!!!!

it would be interesting to hear a report on the details, what they do, as encouragement for club2 to form - perhaps as a new discussion thread

most towns have a spiritual magazine where they could promote the club - a small inexpensive adwords campaign limited to the geographic area on specific keywords (My Big TOE, TMI, Spiritualism, paranormal, remote viewing, ESP, astral, out of body ...) would likely be effective

vegetarian restaurants might have a bulletin board space for posting something

flyers on the windshield of cars parked at any local spiritualist/ECKANKAR or even Unitarian groups might be effective, perhaps a friendlier/cooperative approach if there is a TMI community group in the area

might even try flyers on cars at a science-oriented event.

a propos of nothing (insert seguay here)

I wish Tom had a different word for "meditation"...like..."Intentional Brainwave Modification" (IBM?). For me personally, I gag on the new age y ness of the word "meditation", and its a real barrier to actually doing it

or borrowing from the wiki on meditation...Neurological And Physiological State Stimulation (NAPSS)

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Here you go Randy.
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Bette

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darn, I missed all that last spring

wonder what happened since the thread petered out in August

so...where's group #2?

wonder how many people are in South Florida (Tampa, Orlando, Miami, Naples) zone

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That's where you are correct? You're a person start a group, hey?
Love
Bette

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yes, I am in the American bunker until conditions improve at HQ (the snow melts)

its possible that that a location could be found that is less than a 3 hour drive for most of south Florida

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