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PostPosted: Mon Nov 28, 2011 2:48 pm 
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I'm aware of information being non-physical as in content and meaning, but could it also be physical as what is stored in our brains and how it is affected by outside stimuli, like additional information and any trauma presented to the brain?


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I'm aware of information being non-physical as in content and meaning, but could it also be physical as what is stored in our brains and how it is affected by outside stimuli, like additional information and any trauma presented to the brain?
I would say it is still information as it is data being received by your bit of the Consciousness System when represents when rendered a "damaged" or just different brain that then functions per that life experience packet parameters such as my son having a data stream coming to his bit which calls out autism. The brain if observed is going to be different than a brain not having been used by a bit that had autism in the life experience observed. The effect of seeing or doing horrendous things such as civil war child soldiers or the Mayans causes physical brain damage in my educated opinion. Gory movies, scary movies, and killing games can do this brain structural or wiring changing damage if the viewer/participant takes it seriously as I understand it.
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I'm aware of information being non-physical as in content and meaning, but could it also be physical as what is stored in our brains and how it is affected by outside stimuli, like additional information and any trauma presented to the brain?
Our brain is not physical, since we are not physical, but virtual bodies in VR PMR. Our brain doesn't exist, not being rendered, unless a measurement of its activity has been taken, or a brain surgery has been performed. Brain doesn't process information. Our consciousness does process all information, since we are not physical bodies in a first place, but we are consciousness, which does belong, or one could say, a part of Consciousness. 

For learning purposes our consciousness comes to this VR, and according to the rule set of this VR PMR, consciousness has to have a physical body. A physical body and its brain is a necessary constrain, for consciousness to operate here. Information is not physical, and it doesn't have to be physical for us to be aware of it, since information is consciousness too. Our consciousness is not physical, and information is not physical, because the big Consciousness is not physical.   

If a brain area affected by stroke or any other damage becomes dysfunctional, it creates an extra constrain, which limits or narrows a stream of information into VR  PMR. Consciousness is not affected by this damage. Think about a radio signal. Assuming, that a radio station is located on a continent, far from its listeners, and its listeners live on an island. A radio station sends its radio signal, which has it's certain strength. On a good day listeners are able to hear this signal well, but in a case of herrocain most likely, that this signal would be disrupted, or most listeners will not be able to hear it at all. Since this station is located far from a disaster area, it's signal is not affected, but listeners have problem with reception on their side. 

Clearness of a signal, which one receives, depends on one's inner ability to pay attention to this signal. It is possible to be equally attentive to outside and inside information, but it takes time and training to master this quality. Otherwise a stream of outside information takes over us, because this is an easy way to be. 

I am not sure, if I was able to say it clear enough. I know, that Ted will do it better. :))

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I'm aware of information being non-physical as in content and meaning, but could it also be physical as what is stored in our brains and how it is affected by outside stimuli, like additional information and any trauma presented to the brain?


Barring the excellent answers in this thread so far, you can think of it another way. Even if your brain stored the data (I'm not saying it does), like a hard drive or RAM stores bits, it's still just data. Your consciousness has to interpret the data in order for it to become information.

The physical code symbols (bits, squiggles on a piece of paper, etc.) are just data.

There are many threads and videos that dive into great detail about the brain/consciousness connection, especially dealing with cases like trauma. The jist of it is that the brain represents constraints on what your consciousness can experience in this PMR VR. If your brain gets hurt, that further limits what your consciousness can experience here (which could include memories, motor control, etc.)

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I'm aware of information being non-physical as in content and meaning, but could it also be physical as what is stored in our brains and how it is affected by outside stimuli, like additional information and any trauma presented to the brain?


One more blind mans hand on the elephant...

my interpretation of Toms model is that there is this division between the physical and non physical, and anything that cannot be directly measured by the 5 senses is non physical, and is part of big picture science, including information stored in a mind that is beyond the reach of conventional science

Roughly speaking, Anything measurable from PMR is physical or little picture science, including physically measurable information stored in a brain, like using an MRI to measure stuff

Anything physical is actually apparently physical, as physicality is relative to your point of perception, which usually is a physical position of awareness in a PMR, and also is apparent due to it's virtuality, but virtuality is a presumption of everything that is not fundamental, including NPMR, fundamentality being consciousness alone, and our slice of it, being our IOUC...all this to say that something can be physical and virtual at the same time...as apparency is presumed

at least that is where I am at at this point

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