Tronar, when you realize you (what we normally identify with) are not an independent being to begin with, but just a specific expression of your consciousness which has agreed to abide by the PMR rule-set, one can be more detached to the prospect of "death" to the virtual 'character'. Tom has written some most excellent posts on PMR death and transitioning, they should be enlightening :)
"Let me try to develop a more accurate, less limited perspective with some computer game metaphors. Like any metaphor, the fit is never perfect but I think it might lead you to a more useful perspective. Hopefully it will not scare you or depress you. If it does it will be because of a small PMR perspective becoming inadvertently twisted around self focused ego." - Liberation, Nirvana, Parinirvana...?
Why talk about our Higher Self and our Virtual Reality self?
"There is no death -- just like the cowboy didn't die -- he was just virtual -- not real -- the physical isn't real, it is virtual. YOU are playing a data stream computer game that produces experience (the best teacher) and have just decided to change YOUR character's outfit (called a "meatsuit"). Nobody dies. YOUR character in the game is limited to work within the games rule-set. That character (you) is a projection of a copy of a portion of YOUR content, a part of YOU (the big YOU), a virtual characterization of YOU constrained by a rule-set -- a virtual alter ego -- working to become an alter no-ego. Little you is actually the big YOU in a constrained cowboy disguise, stop identifying with the little virtual you that doesn't really exist except as a virtual character in a computer game. YOU occasionally switch the virtual character's meatsuits to gain different experience and continue to play the game because YOU learn so much from it since the constraints of the rule-set simplify experience, interaction and feedback to a more effective level for learning. Nothing dies, your characters don't die, they are just virtual - virtual characters can't die, they are made up for the game, they are not real. Constraints come and go on a portion of YOUR content, that's all, and only during the coprocessing time share. YOU are real, not virtual, YOU are consciousness -- the sum of all YOUR virtual and non virtual experiences. YOU are using multiprocessing to send you (a portion of YOU) to a private school with rigid rules while YOU stay home and play computer games -- how sweet is that. You who are really YOU are identifying with the wrong you.
After all that, your mind is probably blown away and twice as confused. I don't put it this way very often because it is more that most people are conceptually prepared to deal with. Other models are warmer and fuzzier and make you feel more . well, real... and important... and special. Enough of this convoluted horsepucky -- Get real!" Coming Back
Good for more overall perspective. (Written by Ted and Tom)
"Roland 2b: What have you observed regarding life between lives and NPMR locations?
Tom: You are asking me to write another book here.
Combine the experiences of a bunch of pre-schoolers: 1) responding to a fire drill and 2) experiencing Disneyland into a single experiential event. Now imagine the adults/employees whose responsibility it is to matriculate the children through the process. That will give you the setting for the vast majority. Now imagine the same thing for a group of 12 year olds — that That will give you the setting for the top 1 percent. Now imagine the same thing for a group of 16 year olds — that That will give you the setting for the top .01 percent. Now imagine the same thing for a group of unsophisticated not particularly knowledgeable 25 year olds — that That will give you the setting for the top .001 percent.
Reality outside of the PMRs is, for the most part, subjective. We tend, out of habit, to make an objective place out of it. Forcing NPMR experience into the perceptual form factor of PMR, is the origin of most of the NPMR and afterlife descriptions you have read — they are not correct but do enable the experiencer to communicate his experience with other PMR residents who need the information put into a PMR spatial and objective context in order to comprehend it.
What have I observed? I have observed all four groups described above and have worked as part of the in-processing staff and as a special transition problems counselor for the first two — those need lots of staff. Like anywhere else, if you hang around and have useful abilities, someone will put you to work — (Everyone who can contribute is encouraged to contribute in a way that is helpful to both the individual and the system) also it is the best way to learn the way things work (from the inside)."
"Tom: Your concepts are fundamentally correct. The VR NPMR consciousness continues with its normal activities, but those normal activities are primarily acting as guides for self and others as ability dictates, helping with the process of transitioning and reorienting individuals going both ways, and constantly processing all experience from all realities for lessons learned -- there is little socializing because it does not produces much valuable direct experience. Everybody, who is able to do so reliably, contributes to the success of the whole according to their abilities. Think of an ant in an ant colony or a bee in the hive -- that should be refreshingly deflating.
It is not that you are an ignorant child while your over-soul is a brilliant enlightened entity. Your over-soul has a larger perspective than you do because it is not focused (trapped) in the PMR rule-set. But it does not necessarily have lower average entropy than you do (unless your consciousness quality has been degenerating while in PMR).
One does need a little reorienting to integrate ones perspective and focus from PMR to NPMR (with less reorienting required the more evolved the being). There is no traveling to reunite with your over-soul or separate places for different kinds of beings -- that's a PMR space-time concept that has no application in NPMR -- however such descriptions provide a vaguely understandable metaphor for those undergoing more lengthy transitions. As Ted says, one just re-integrates one's awareness or focus to the whole of you. It can be a little like coming home after being a mistreated prisoner of war for ten years -- you recognize home and remember it well but everything (your reality) is different now and you have to reintegrate slowly even though you have lived there all your life. At the lower level it is more like coming to a large dysfunctional halfway house where many families live before quickly signing up for another tour of duty. At the upper level it is like returning to your comfortable relaxing home early Friday afternoon after a hard week and looking forward to the weekend -- but knowing that you need to start preparing for the big deal coming up next month.
Upon regaining awareness in NPMR, one switches ones focus and perspective to NPMR time and it appears that time moves along normally even though it is processing much faster. You can teleport about and gather data almost instantaneously but your sense of time passing during interactions (communication with others) is about the same. When everything moves faster together, the relative sense of interactive processing has the appearance of being the same.
The first thing one (the newly oriented and integrated over-soul) does (a reasonably well developed one, anyway) is to review all the experience data generated from the just ended PMR experience packet in the context of all past experience packets to glean additional lessons learned, assess lessons failed, and roughly outline strategies to develop situations within the next packet to learn what is needed most. Lower entropy "outsiders" (i.e., guides) may be helping with this exercise by offering guidance and suggestions. Eventually plans are made and perhaps coordinated with others to provide a less random, more optimal, experience opportunity for the next packet."
Ramon: When the individuated unit that was your recent lifetime returns to the whole does it persist as an individual? Will my experience be as one of many personalities in a collective or is it fully absorbed and the only operational identity that of the higher self?
Tom: Mostly, individual personalities persist and are maintained -- particularly if they are effective learners. There is some advantage in building on what is already established and in maintaining a continuity of accumulating experience. However, sometimes if a particular individual personality is unproductive it will be retired (absorbed) and perhaps replaced with something more effective. However, that individual (as an very accurate statistical model -- i.e., an assemblage of all the information that defined that individual personality along with probability information) will still be present in the historical database and is fully accessible there - it's just that new data will not be generated or updated to that personality file. That "retired" individual personality could always be given a free will again and reconstituted as an active unit -- they are fully defined in the database. Bottom line: If you want maintain the privilege of exercising free will, it would be a good idea to exercise it effectively. Evolution can be a pretty ruthless (efficient) process. - System Aspects
"It is my experience within the larger reality that generated MBT, not experience in the Astral plane. From that larger perspective, I have worked both sides of the death and NDE experience. I have been with the dying - helped ease their death process and after death, joined their journey, conversed with them and kept them company. I have worked the other side as well. Been assigned (it was a job) to help facilitate transitions - particularly troubled transitions. I have facilitated transitions where the individuals were sent back (NDEs). I read Newton's book of people reliving their death experiences through hypnotic regression only because Ted asked me to, and I've read Moody's books and talked to Moody about his research and results. I wish I had the text I sent to Ted explaining why these people (Newton's, and Moody's subjects) report what they do about the transition process, but in short, Roland is correct. The reports are primarily a reflection of the experiencer's beliefs and expectations, and of the system that feeds both to facilitate the process. There is a thread of truth running through much of what they report. However, how they interpret their experience is mostly an artifact of their beliefs, hopes, fears, and expectations which are exploited somewhat to produce a smoother more optimal transition. More like a bunch of three and four year olds reporting on their first trip to Disneyland."
---[And now a more in-depth view of the inner workings:]
Tom: Yes, I bought both books a few weeks ago and have been reading Newton's "Journey's of Souls" I am a little more than half way through (Chapter 10). I am afraid that in-depth point by point comments would overwhelm the email format but here is a summary of a tentative assessment at this point (halfway through first book).
1) Most of the structure reported is an artifact of the habits of PMR experience. A result of the archetypes and the 3D modes of expression our thinking is trapped in -- a boundary/limitation of our ability to rationally communicate to other residents of PMR in terms of PMR. For most of us those are the only terms of reference we have. That is why souls visualize their trip as starting through a portal or tunnel; appear to glide around on "conveyor belts" or "tractor beams" taking them wherever that they are supposed to go. In a spaceless space, one does not have to travel to get somewhere. One simply teleports instantaneously. The tunnels and gliding around are all habitual 3D bullpucky -- as are the temples and classrooms, pods, and other "physical-like" structures and processes. Most everyone visualizes the same stuff because all are habituated to similar 3D PMR patterns of experience and thought. Thus PMR/3D archetypes (like portals to go through to change reality sets, and like having to travel to get somewhere) are held in common.
2) The part of the larger reality that Newton has a window to, via his subjects, is an unrepresentative infinitesimal sliver of the whole viewed through the cloudy lens of souls being manipulated through an educational reprocessing factory. Let me create an analogy that is a great understatement. Think of all of reality as our galaxy. Then a system that contains everything that Newton describes is a 20,000 square foot soul development & recycling factory located in the center of Huang Do province, China, on planet Earth. This factory refurbishes, rehabilitates, and upgrades the souls from Huang Do province only. The factory is run by a bunch of Chinese psychologists and shrinks. They have designed the factory and decorated the interior to improve productivity/reeducation. Color coding is used to help simplify communications to the somewhat dim inmates. E.g., top level souls are issued purple lab coats and lower level souls wear yellow lab coats. The inmates are initially given white jump suits with fleecy hoods. As in any factory, what goes on inside the factory is determined by the CEO and board of directors. Every province has its own factory and they are all laid out and decorated differently depending on what their CEOs and directors think is good for business. Like an insane asylum, the decorations and processes are designed to keep the inmates safe and profitably engaged. The inmates are lead to believe all sorts of things in order to help them adjust and become more productive. It is a fantasy factory. E.g., like the meeting of friends and loved ones after going through the tunnel is generally just a hallucination orchestrated to calm and focus new arrivals who have little experience. Fantasy Island delivers whatever you need to get your mind operating more productively. Hall of mirrors -- what you mostly experience is yourself reflected back to you. Yes, you are given help assessing completed experience packets, and yes you are sent to "classes," after a fashion, etc., but the context is your own fabrication or their suggestion -- whichever is most productive for you. What goes on inside the Huang Do plant, is not particularly relevant to what exists and is going on outside the plant, i.e. according to our analogy, elsewhere on planet earth, within the solar system, or within the galaxy.
I used to work at the Huang Do plant as a consultant -- and still get occasional assignments there. Most of the souls going through the factory don't have a clue as to what is really going on. Think of a ward of 3 to 6 year olds at the state children's home being interviewed by 60 minutes. (or more accurately, the 60 minutes crew from Mars)
Some errors: The so called fixed groupings that last forever are not that fixed. That is an imposed hallucination that helps inmates feel secure. The factory colors are like school colors -- arbitrary. Once a level is attained you don't get to keep it forever; you can back-slide, you can de-evolve, Your level is a reflection of your instantaneous quality, which can increase or decrease according to your free will
intents. The structure is not as rigid or bureaucratic as Newton describes it, but tends to look that way from the inmates perspective. Everyone does not have their personal guide. Many beginners often share a single or several guides, old hands often have more than one -- Whatever is most productive is implemented.
Now, after having said all that, let me say that I think Newton has done a great job! Although most of the structure has little to do with what is really going on in OS, much less the larger reality, most of the functionality he describes is reasonably accurate. He has done as well or better than could be expected given what he has had to work with. And I think he has done all of us a grand favor by helping others see a bigger picture -- one that describes the larger purpose, value, and driving force pretty accurately. To most of those in PMR, the details don't matter that much anyway. I would say that Newton's book (like your web site) is definitely part of the solution. Its incompleteness and simplicity is part of what makes it useful (like doing ballistic kinematics assuming a flat earth and no air friction or Coriolis forces). That it is technically incorrect is not significant given the audience. Three cheers for Newton!
You mentioned energy conservation as an issue. Primal Energy in NPMR is like air on earth. Finite sure, but Its there for the breathing -- there is no competition, every critter on earth takes in as much as they need/want/can use. Energy is simply intent modifying digits -- it does not depend on an outside source that imposes any practical usage/conservation limits on us.
I hope this helps you find a useful perspective of Newton's reality-view relative to Campbell's reality-view. I know Newton's work has been a central source of information for you. I hope this blurb provides more help than confusion and doesn't crack your foundation beyond easy repair. In the end, you must go where your intuition leads.
- Belief in God 'childish'..
That should be enough for today! I hope your mind is not too much blown away :-)