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 Post subject: Re: Free energy
PostPosted: Thu Jan 26, 2012 6:41 am 
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Always search for critical reviews, especially when there is no evidence presented in the video.

http://thrivedebunked.wordpress.com/201 ... m-trombly/ raises some valid questions.

From what we know of the rule-set, free energy is an illogical concept. Entropy prevents it, there is always loss in energy transformations. "Loss" means the energy can't be retrieved without spending more energy on the retrieval process itself, it is thus irreversible. The energy is forever lost as the heat dissipates throughout the cosmos.

Exergy is an useful concept: "Energy is never destroyed during a process; it changes from one form to another. In contrast, exergy accounts for the irreversibility of a process due to increase in entropy. Exergy is always destroyed when a process involves a temperature change. This destruction is proportional to the entropy increase of the system together with its surroundings"

I sometimes contemplate on our economics as whole (or in part), to be based on Emergy or some equivalent concept.
"Emergy is the available energy (exergy) of one kind that is used up in transformations directly and indirectly to make a product or service. Emergy accounts for, and in effect, measures quality differences between forms of energy. Emergy is an expression of all the energy used in the work processes that generate a product or service in units of one type of energy. The unit of emergy is the emjoule, a unit referring to the available energy of one kind consumed in transformations. Emergy accounts for different forms of energy and resources (e.g. sunlight, water, fossil fuels, minerals, etc.) Each form is generated by transformation processes in nature and each has different ability to support work in natural and human dominated systems. The recognition of these differences in quality is a key concept of the emergy methodology."

It would totally optimise the dynamics between the human civilization and our environment and its finite natural resources. Essentially changing perspective from very short term to long term thinking.


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 Post subject: Re: Free energy
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Bette, yes it may be possible that our beliefs about energy limit us. But as s_s said, it's part of our rule-set as we know it today. For example, Tom doesn't like to eat sugar because it affects his consciousness. Do you think that is a limiting belief on his part, or just part of the rule-set that he must deal with?

skorum, I'm not sure calling our PMR a kindergarten is ego-speak because it includes the person saying it is a kindergarten. There is no separation of one from another.

Also, physical hardship does not equal suffering. I recommend you look into the Buddhist concept of suffering if you are not familiar with it. Suffering is in the mind, it is self-generated! Again, being physically comfortable is not the point of being here.

I agree that you can still learn without suffering, but most of us aren't at that point in our evolution. That's what makes this a kindergarten.

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Anthony Peake just mentioned to me on facebook that there is a company having a patent to extract energy from the ZPF in Colorado, USA.
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bette wrote:
Anthony Peake just mentioned to me on facebook that there is a company having a patent to extract energy from the ZPF in Colorado, USA.
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Check this out:

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United States Patent 7,379,286

Haisch and Moddel

May 27, 2008

Quantum vacuum energy extraction

Abstract

A system is disclosed for converting energy from the electromagnetic quantum vacuum available at any point in the universe to usable energy in the form of heat, electricity, mechanical energy or other forms of power. By suppressing electromagnetic quantum vacuum energy at appropriate frequencies a change may be effected in the electron energy levels which will result in the emission or release of energy. Mode suppression of electromagnetic quantum vacuum radiation is known to take place in Casimir cavities. A Casimir cavity refers to any region in which electromagnetic modes are suppressed or restricted. When atoms enter into suitable micro Casimir cavities a decrease in the orbital energies of electrons in atoms will thus occur. Such energy will be captured in the claimed devices. Upon emergence form such micro Casimir cavities the atoms will be re-energized by the ambient electromagnetic quantum vacuum. In this way energy is extracted locally and replenished globally from and by the electromagnetic quantum vacuum. This process may be repeated an unlimited number of times. This process is also consistent with the conservation of energy in that all usable energy does come at the expense of the energy content of the electromagnetic quantum vacuum. Similar effects may be produced by acting upon molecular bonds. Devices are described in which gas is recycled through a multiplicity of Casimir cavities. The disclosed devices are scalable in size and energy output for applications ranging from replacements for small batteries to power plant sized generators of electricity.

Inventors: Haisch, Bernard (Redwood City, CA); Moddel, Garret (Boulder, CO)

Assignee: Jovion Corporation (Menlo Park, CA)


Anybody recognize the inventors ? Heh Heh.


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Yes that's the second time I've run into Mr. Haisch today as he's mentioned in the data I have from a friend that was into ZPF energy too. I think it's all coming together right now. My friend, C. Lee Robins had a theory called Stochastic Relativity where properties of physics rescale when ZPF pressure changes locally according to the notes and data my friend shared before passing. Work from Haisch, Rueda, Puthoff is mentioned among much other data.
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