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PostPosted: Fri Jan 27, 2012 8:17 pm 
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On the other hand, if there are people in this forum that can explore the database, could they generate an optimal mechanism to facilitate the access to others. (something like the definitive hemisync, for example)?.

I recommend that you purchase (since downloading copyrighted material is illegal and you can get worse sentences for this type of criminal activity than murder) The Gateway Experience. It is probably the best way for you. It comes complete with many and different type of Hemi-Sync recordings, and one of them is a tool for remote viewing. Don't get stressed though, I strongly recommend you start (and read the manuals) with the first one.

EDIT: I assumed you desire to remote view, but after I read more I find myself not knowing at all what you are talking about.
You want to view the database of the larger reality? Then you should read MBT =)

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And respect to Montana I disagree; if someone will want use that system I think he will be prepared to live the experience. I'm not going to push anyone, only offer it.

Wanting, or requiring, isn't the same as desiring. Requiring something and wanting to have it right away is because of fear. You don't wan't to wait untill you are 70. You fear that you will not be able to access the system in this life. This is in itself a limiting factor. Fear is in your mind and you kind of need to free your mind.
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And finally I don't want to rest value to meditation, but I don't think it would be the best tool to achieve certain altered states. I have family that have meditated for years and never accessed any of these nonphysical realities.

This is limiting if anything. Basically you already have the intent that it will not work. How can it then?
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I'm a computer engineer and I have the concept based in the experience of my job that half of the effort (if not more) can be saved if one choose the right tool for the task.

I agree. You should read the book, it's the best tool.

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Hi Skorum, I'm not limiting by myself. The experience of my life is limiting me.
If I would tell you that you can pass through a wall only by pressing your head against the wall and you would be trying with passion for a year without success, I couldn't say that you are auto limiting you. It would be the wall, the technique or some external factor, but not you.

I have not fear of fail; simply, I've been trying get an OOBE, get altered states with binaural beats, any kind of special experience for almost a year without any result. And I don't want keep trying these way, without any feedback of the improvement. Only keep on trying.

I can't continue the same attitude, the same approach and expect to succeed. The logic tells me I must change the strategy, and the experience of my life support this.

Oh, and I'm reading MBT, but I'm doing slowly.


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Then my best advice is The Gateway Experience.

What meditation techniques have you tried? There are many out there..

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Transcendental Meditation. I was said it's easy and effective.
I have an additional problem: I sleep very easy, I have tried many times meditate lying and I have finished sleeping.
My work, my family (2 kids) and some review of the news in not mainstream sites leave me not much time. And I need to sleep 8 hours, but I could do it more, much more.


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dieguti wrote:
Pardon me all. I didn't notice I was being so unclear.
I will try to summarize:
- I think that experience the reality is positive for the people, 99%.
- Access that reality isn't easy (I've meditated and tried hemi sync for months without success)
- ANY information can be obtained from the database from a person with the capability to do it.
- I propose that the designed person generate (or copy from the database) a system, I suppose it would be based in sound, to facilitate the access to states of the kind of focus 10 or focus 12 in any newbie.
- I want to use that system. I want access those states by myself.

And respect to Montana I disagree; if someone will want use that system I think he will be prepared to live the experience. I'm not going to push anyone, only offer it.
And finally I don't want to rest value to meditation, but I don't think it would be the best tool to achieve certain altered states. I have family that have meditated for years and never accessed any of these nonphysical realities.
But again, I like meditation and I practice almost daily.
I'm a computer engineer and I have the concept based in the experience of my job that half of the effort (if not more) can be saved if one choose the right tool for the task.

Thanks for your time.


Sure. Skor's advice to try the hemisynch tapes is probably just the right thing. There are also lots of places on the net where you can download freeware or inexpensive try-it-out ware for various hemisynch systems. These may actually be of some use that the Monroe tapes can't, in as much as with Monroe, what you get is what you get; whereas the throw-together your own allows you to customize. I had marginal success with the Monroe tapes in the beginning until I tried them on a cheap import player that ran maybe 5% to fast... in effect raising all the tones and the BFO entrainment ... what a difference, and wierd experiences were popping up all over the place. ... so the lesson there is that TMI's stuff is ballparked at some bell-curve center and if you're not at the center, the tapes "don't fit".... it stands to reason that some people need'm a little faster, others a little slower.

If you think about it, die, your argument could as well be applied to a hit of acid: Instant access to the land of visions, spirits, OBE OME, and pur Gah! For many years it was legal, and while it opened, rather forcibly, a lot of minds, it had some major drawbacks, this instant access to all to surfing the cosmos. Starting new religions.... getting utterly lost in the Great Gah and coming back and instantly embracing any old religion or cult (there was a period where it seemed that just everyone was having too big a trip, coming down utterly space-blown, 'finding god' with some christian crowd, and moving to California. It was like, almost everyday, you'd see someone you knew, and it was "I found God!", "Too much acid?" "How did you know...?! Anyway, I'm moving to California"), evolving into a weird being and forgetting to take into consideration that not everyone else is with you on this evolutionary escapade, or even understands it, or even wants to, etc etc.. "Instant 12" is not as serious of a go as that, of course, and yet I can see how it has similar risks. ... it's like going to NYC for the first time.... can be a total gas but you don't want to land in the wrong neighborhood, for sure ... you really want to have an escort, or at the very least, a good idea of what's what!

In a way, you and I have similar complaints: I am always and forever complaining about trying to evolve on this substandard planet, made of dirt, with too much gravity, not enough atmosphere, and seasons of a length that make even people with short attention spans dizzy. And what's with the whole "have to murder other living things to survive" bit...? I mean, c'mon!

.........On the surface they sound different, but at bottom they are the same. "I want what I want right now, gah-dammit! and who the hell is running this operation anyways...? Why don't they bring in some consultants ???" etc etc...

I'm a computer engineer and I have the concept based in the experience of my job that half of the effort (if not more) can be saved if one choose the right tool for the task. .... that certainly sounds valid and reasonable. <shrugs shoulders/> Listening to the last interview there posted with Tom, the questioner mentions using a 150 megaheartz wave to carry a modulation in the eight-hertz range (presumably further modulated) to power blast people into altered states of consciousness. (An intriguing technology, it almost certainly will be used for bad or exploitative ends, I'm afraid). So that might be an avenue you could explore (you could easily set up such a thing with circuitry composed on one of those radio-shack electronics kits for learning basic electronics, I'm sure). Another thing you might try is to go over to the Monroe website (google up "The Monroe Institute") and just listen to "The explorer tapes". They are interesting in themselves, but I have a hard time listening to them without the visceral feeling that at any moment an invisible door that I didn't know was there is about to blow open and suck me through it, like a jet's door blown open in the night, directly into the land of Gah!~ I know your supposed to have the thing over a stereo channel, but it has this effect on me never the less. Maybe it will for you too.

A couple of other leads: See the book Mind Games by Masters & Houston and read it from a systems analyst's perspective.... what, modeling from that body of knowledge, is happening there? You might find the theoretical framework offered in Dr. Charles Tart's books helpful, as well. Just keep plugging away and you'll get to the next place that is for you. Who knows, maybe some spirit guide will come floating by one night and take you for a spin. :-)

Happy trails!~


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In MBT, Tom writes that he had 3 hours of "regular" sleep per night for a long time.
He worked 8 hours at his regular job, and after that he spent many hours building the lab at TMI and visiting other realities while meditating. It is in my understanding that it is possible to always be conscious while sleeping. Think of how wonderful that would be, and beneficial in so many ways.

I have many gigabytes of different Hemi-Syncs, and it sounds like you haven't tested that many different types. Only some of them work for me, and depending on what goes on in life some of them better as different occasions.
You should try "Sound Sleeper" tapes, and stress relieving excercises it sounds like. Whatever that will help your left hemisphere get rid of the control.
Whatever you can do to still be consious when going over to sleep mode. Have you tried first sleeping 2, 3 cycles (One sleep cycle is about 90 minutes, going through different types of wave-activity), to kind of be in the necessary mode? Monroe recommended this technique and he used it himself.

Also, if you sleep lightly, have you considered the factors of this other than your kids and job? Like a computer fan buzzing, the LED lights on your TV, alarm clock or whatever. I find it easier being in a quiet, dark environment. Also I think various types of radiation could interfere, like mobile phones, electromagnetic radiation, the moon perhaps?

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I have only once meditated while sitting. When I think of it now, it was the greatest experience to me so far.
I had felt positive thoughts and emotions for a few days, and this love-feeling.
I came home from work, a bit tired, I was just sitting, eyes shut, thinking and imagining that I could move without my physical body moving. So I was focusing on different body parts, like my eyebrows and my foot, imagining that I could touch them and feel them nonphysically. After I while it actually felt like it, and I got these strong vibrations. I felt large, really large, I almost got scared of myself of how big I was in so many aspects. I thought to myself, jeez, I need to be careful, if I actually am this big I might kill someone! After a while i got in to this other mood. The mood I was in reminded me of when I was a young boy, sometimes watching people made them look really really funny! Like their heads seemed so very very small compaired to the rest of the body. Sometimes it was otherwise, they could be too big too to make any sence. I remember I couldnt hold myself from laughing when looking at people. Very profound. Anyways, after a while I could hear this loud noise, very very loud and intense, I remember thinking this must be human thought, it was almost unbearable, so I had to get away. After a while I couldnt hear it anymore, and it felt as some of my human layers where gone. Lots of things happened, and I could understand for the first time how we truly are one. And I remember thinking about human life, how profound it is. I was sure that some people must be here because of how bizarre it is, for self amusement. It was a major experience for me, and for the first time I could compare this reality to a larger one, or more general one as Tom says. I was very happy for days after this experience.

My point is that there are so many different ways, and this one, without hemi sync or any other tool, gave me the best experience so far.
Maybe you should try imagining feeling things without your physical body, or maybe making up music in your mind and listening to it, your own music. Or perhaps visualizing stuff, like your favourite decorative in your house, or playing around with your kids. Or just somekind of memory that made you happy and calm.

EDIT: Oh yes, and after the experience, when I woke up, I didn't have the slightest memory of that experience. The first memory-thought came maybe 10-15 minutes after I woke up, I remembered the sensation of the eyebrow-touching, and then I remembered more and more.

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Correct me if I am wrong but catching a glimpse of the larger reality in any means may have something to do with how ready one is to benefit from such things. I understand your desires but there is a sense of you demanding something with perhaps not having the proper temperament to experience such things. Do you walk about your daily life with such forceful expectations?

It is not my intention to insult you, but I have seen this before in myself and the attitude did not serve me well in explorations. Maybe lighten up a bit and focus on growth, the other stuff will come in due time.

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SLiVeR wrote:
Do you walk about your daily life with such forceful expectations?


I can assure you that I'm one of most patient and calm people in my social environment. Consider that I'm a spanish trying to express spiritual matters in english, it's not easy. Usually I read and write technical english.
Have you listen of Reconnective Healing (a kind of Reiki but occidental)? I discovered that I could feel some type of energy by watching a pair of videos in YouTube. And it works in others. When I practice it, people report feeling calm and even drowsiness merely by watching me. Headaches and other minor pains disappear.
What I mean is I can sound a bit demanding but it's only my excitement with a poor translation.

Another point could be that everyone that write to answer me, is to say me "wait and meditate", "you don't need to rush", "it will come by itself", "perhaps you aren't prepared".... Personally, all these answers aren't helping me to assimilate the situation.
Presumably, there are people in this forum that could obtain information from the database to do anything, even use technology of other realities, techniques to control the mind, techniques to heal the body, etc...
And everyone answer seems to be "if it's not here there must be a reason, wait and see".
Am I misanderstanding you all?
I'm perplex about the general attitude here.


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dieguti,

That is the general attitude here because that is how we understand things to be, to function. From what you say in this post, you are doing fairly well as a person and have a good control and functionality with your Intent to be doing what you describe. Try to understand and accept that OOBE and access to data bases, past and future, are of limited value for what you are here for and actually doing. They are more lures to catch the unawares as in 'nudges' to give a hint of the greater reality of which this is a part and that this is not a strictly physical reality. They are really trivial and unnecessary in terms of what we are here for and how this reality works to lower entropy and raise Quality of Consciousness.

This VR of PMR is designed and built to automatically produce change at the being level over time. Intellectual understandings, which can come very quickly, are not change at the being level which comes quite slowly and requires more than one incarnation for significant change. Frequently this kind of rapid intellectual change is only possible because it brings one up to levels achieved in the past. Again, this is our understanding so we simply cannot give you the answers that you are asking for as we do not believe them to really exist. We can tell you how to optimize experience here in terms of productivity. We cannot tell you how to do things or do them for you that we understand to not be possible or to not be valuable in a real sense.

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dieguti - I have noticed that there are stages that we all go through when we start to figure out how reality works. I have gone through these stages myself.

One of the stages is trying to manipulate your environment because now you can see behind the curtain. Certainly there are some situations in which you can influence the probably future. But I have found that you will be shut out if you try to use Intent in a way that is to purely gratify your ego.

I think that is why so many here advise patience and are trying to steer you in a more introspective way. Basically all you have to do is keep going and keep experiencing. It is a feed back system and you will get nudges and corrections along the way. The trick is to recognize them and evolve.


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dieguti wrote:
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Do you walk about your daily life with such forceful expectations?


I can assure you that I'm one of most patient and calm people in my social environment. Consider that I'm a spanish trying to express spiritual matters in english, it's not easy. Usually I read and write technical english.

What I mean is I can sound a bit demanding but it's only my excitement with a poor translation.



This raises an issue I have been meaning to mention for a long time.... LOTS of folks that use this board don't have English as their first or primary language. As it is, plain old Americans misunderstand each other quite a bit more than they realize, I suspect. So it goes that posts loaded with cultural allusions, locally familiar metaphors and similies very likely leave non-native speakers puzzled. (I am a good candidate for being 'worst offender' here.... allusion, metaphor, unstated implications ... if you took all those out of my posts in some cases there would be nothing left but the punctuation!~).

I don't know what to do about that. Simple direct sentences can get pretty tedious. But I have been meaning to make mention of it as an issue. Ideas?

Google translate works somewhat but is real edgey. You've heard the old computer-guys stories of translators in the early days: They made a program to switch Russian to English and English to Russian. They were about to raise their glasses at their success when someone said "Say! Maybe we should try it out first!" So they did. What to type in to the machine...? The tried an old line (from Shakespeare, I think) "The spirit is willing but the flesh is weak." The computer whirred and blinked it's colored lights, and spit out the translation in Russian. The Russians then typed in the translation, and presently the sentence rematerialized in English: "The vodka is strong but the meat is spoiled".

Die, don't worry much about people or imagined tone .... go after the prizes that YOU feel are worth the seeking.

Here, directly, you can go listen to old explorer tapes ... maybe you can hitch a ride: viewtopic.php?f=25&t=6708&hilit=explorer+tapes

Also search this site for hemisnyc posts ... there are a variety of things available for you to experiment with. Apply yourself to it and you may well be traveling within the hour :-)

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There are already some sound which people call "audio narcotics". I haven't tried to listen, but I've heard, they really can make some people lose track of reality for some time and even cause some health problems. I guess, the creators of those "narcotic records" are abusing binaural beats...

I too have problems with falling asleep during a meditation, so I prefer some kind of a mindfulness meditation (it's like an inverted meditation, where you feel your connection with everything by focusing your awareness on the physical, become an observer). This give me a powerful blast for all day long.

I have had some spontaneous access to "the source" during dreams, but it was mostly chaotic and without apparent reason. I have also tried remote viewing in lucid dream state. The information I got (three facts about some skeptic person I have never met, but who asked to be a target for my dream visit) was not specific enough to become an evidence for me nor for that person. So we both agreed, that the results were ambiguous, although we could not say that nothing happened. Anyway, I somehow lost interest in trying things just to see if I can do something. I guess, I am not a good explorer, I am yet to find my way, but I am definitely interested in all this stuff. I can recognize "the nudges"; I could say - I see the feedback, but mostly I do not know, which of my many actions has caused that. It is like having the answers, but not knowing the questions... hmm, what is the question for this answer? :D

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I felt large, really large, I almost got scared of myself of how big I was in so many aspects. I thought to myself, jeez, I need to be careful, if I actually am this big I might kill someone!


I have felt it some times before falling asleep. One night it seemed so real, that I had to open my eyes may times to ensure that I am still small enough to fit in my bedroom. Really weird feeling of growing larger and larger. I found out, they even have a name for it: "AWS, Alice in Wonderland Syndrome".

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"AWS", haha thank you, now I know a useful metaphor.

Bob Monroe said or wrote somewhere that, if your desire is deep enough, it is possible to experience it. But Ted's post here seems to make sence.

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