If your other post means that you do not have Tom's books or the money to buy them, your post is a little cryptic, you can read them for free on the Internet at this link. http://books.google.com/books?id=RYHtBP ... &q&f=false

Perhaps after you read them, you will understand why things are as they are better and develop a better attitude. Dealing with things as they are as best that we are able is basic to how this VR world works and its purpose. While what you say is true, and what you do yourself is good, your attitude is not helpful to yourself. It is much the attitude that makes things as they are that you are deploring. Don't mean to put you down. Just stating the facts as I perceive them from my understanding of this reality.

Ted

Thanks Ted, I am not very tech savy. But how do we get things to be better real fast, outer stuff that is. Oh yeah tried the link but it didnt work. Guess I'll search a little harder. I am in Western Australia. Sweeet.

enraged - keep trying that link because it does work. Also there are a LOT of Tom's YouTube videos that will give you a good basic understanding. You will never really understand the theory though until you read the book.

enraged, try this link: http://books.google.ca/books?id=RYHtBPi ... &q&f=false

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Cheers msagnansk that works, thanks too all who put up with me.

I fixed the link. It was just to the other post you made. You should make a habit of checking to be notified of replies. Otherwise you have to make a deliberate check if you want to see replies which means you have to remember where all of your posts are.

Ted

Generalizations are not good or effective inasmuch as they miss detailing and hitting the correct target. You, me and all of us are the greater consciousness so yes, blowing it away does fix your problem. But then of course it does so for it also eliminates not only the problem but you. You can't be enraged when you don't exist or there is nothing there to get enraged about. Not even empty space.



Hey! That's a start in the right direction. You have located something that is good, something that you do care about. I'm sure you will therefore keep it that way.

You might expand to a little additional area, either attached or somewhat removed from your current sphere of "My private world...." and bring that area into your private world and improve it if it needs it or keep it the same and enjoy it as it is. Keep looking for more of those that are like your private world. That in itself is an adventure. An adventure worth having. You might possibly be surprised. You might find someone like yourself and you both could share each other's 'private wonderful world'.

In this universe there is always good as well as bad. It's totally subjective, you can't have one without the other. Bad is just the other end of the scale, a scale which can run very lengthily in either direction. There are gradients in between and there are gradients to good also within the sphere of good. There is best, almost best, OK, still OK, not quite so good, it'll suffice, not really all that bad. Take a look and see how broad you can make 'your wonderful private world'.

You will only enjoy yourself more. You might even start laughing at the sheer ignorance, depravity and stupidity of others (of course not in their faces though). They might not enjoy that or you at that point. Don't give someone else that which you don't want.

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Hi there,
can someone tell me to which post infinitejewel is revering above? Im very interested in the concept of karma and how it corresponds to MBT. Also, is there a place in here where karma specifically is discussed?
Best wishes,
Jean

Jean,

In the top right corner of each page is a search function. If you search for karma you find 121 posts, including yours, and this one will now make it 122. You will have to look at them to see which might have useful information other than just using the word. You can also look to see which posts by Tom, twcjr, or anyone use this word. It is not a concept that we make much direct use of here so you may not find what you want.

You might have noted that InfiniteJewel/Laura only posted twice on the board. She may or may not have continued on the board. I think that what she referenced was not on the board as she referred to an article. You could send her an e-mail through the board system and ask her directly to find out to what she referred. You could send a PM but she would not see that unless she still came on the board.

Ted

lets try to put the popular western idea of karma in the context of the model - mostly to test my interpretation and get feedback on my thinking

QoC->Intent->intent->decision->action->result->feedback->QoC

If I understand Tom correctly, at some point after forming an intent (actual decisions, actions, results...are secondary), you will pick up some emotional feedback.

Selfish hurtful intents, would lead to negative feedback, other centered harmonious loving intents would lead to positive feedback.

Feedback is also cumulative, in the sense that your QoC is ticking down, but mostly up, due to your intents.

Intent is your global MO (method of operations), intent is a specific intention coming from your Intent/Quality of Conciousness.

Intent is the active element of QoC - QoC in action

This ticking up or sometimes down of QoC moves you progressively to lower entropy, and lower entropy leads to a broader and reinterpretation of your decision space.

When you begin to perceive yourself as an eternal IUOC dropping into PMR for a set of experiences, and when you see that IUOCs, represented by FWAU sensor platforms are the only thing that is truly real...everything else is a simulation....the set of things that bother you diminishes, so there is an element of karma here as well, simply through reinterpretation of the datastream, and the improvement in mental state can be immediate

Ironically, adopting a less materialistic, and more IUOC-istic perspective, leads to improvements in your actual physical and social environment, as you begin to follow a different intent/decision tree (especially if you invest in effectiveness)...so there is a karma like element here as well.

Effectiveness is the part of the game of translating intent into effective decisions, and decisions into effective actions, which leads to a strong link between intent and results. This is secondary to the core business of forming good intents, but if effectiveness is built upon good Intent, one can literally move mountains ( I mean in the sense of directing heavy equipment).

However, do not be deceived by appearances,...a very low entropy IUOC/FWAU can be completely content with a few beans and day full of service to others.

I look forward to improving my thinking on this, if anyone has any comments

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Hey, thanks for your replies and thanks for being so helpful, Ted!

Kroeran,
i agree with your QoC feedback cycle; our indiv. consciousness generates intent upon which we act, giving rise to the immediate internal emotional feedback as well as feedback taking the longer route through the external world. Both upon which we react resulting in a modified QoC.
I think though, that feedback doesn't change your QoC and is only the bases upon which you decide whether or not the intent was fruitful. Is that also what you were saying? So the emotional feedback is merely informative. It is the newly chosen intent that, with each cycle, adds or subtracts to/from your QoC.

Karma, in the Tibetan-buddhist sense, is of much interest to me because a) those eastern guys have been doing the consciousness thing for like thousands of years and b) living with good karma-ethics is proven by the results just like you said here:

So the basics of karma really do seem to fit the bill in terms of MBT and our everyday experience, what do you think? The interesting thing though, is that karma is sort of unique in that it quantifies the intent packets that alter the QoC. Hence i find going through a day with karma in the back of my mind a useful tool for policing the intent that i produce continuously.
Taking it further, the Tibetan view is that all that happens to you is karma and that nothing can happen to you, if you have not collected karma to enable it. Hence an assassin cannot gun you down, if you have no negative karma. Anyone got thoughts or experiences that can put (part of) that into a MBT perspective?

The concept of Karma and its relationship to reincarnation is not really related to MBT. There is not just one concept of Karma and this article from Wikipedia makes that clear. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karma There are other articles on the concept of Karma in particular religions.

Simplistically Karma as a doctrine is that you reap what you sow. This continues in some way from life to life, entering into the determination of the state in which you will reincarnate. There is much more detail to the concept in reality.

In My Big TOE, the only thing approaching the concept of Karma is that within a given life, feedback will occur that reflects the quality of your consciousness and the nature of your interactions with others here. Your Quality of Consciousness will carry on from life to life, but the circumstances of each succeeding life will not be determined by some Karmic law. Nor do you move up and down on a scale of being in your incarnations according to some Karmic law. You will not reincarnate as an animal. Your QoC however, as being carried on as developed within your Individuated Unit of Consciousness, IUOC, will carry on from life to life, expressing itself as determined by the factors of each succeeding life. The only way that your life might vary as circumstances selected for that new life is that a life circumstance might well be selected as it is determined that it would be advantageous for you to experience a life of that characteristic for the benefit of your learning and development. To improve the balance of your understanding. Not however as a matter of Karma as cosmic retribution.

This is my understanding and I think that it is clearly reflect in what Tom has written.

Ted

The Intent of MBTOE is to move beyond legacy paradigms (Hinduism, Buddhism, Christianity etc) and adopt this new language and symbology, which is more precise and universal.

The correct protocol is to note such overlaps, integrate this experience with MBTOE, then progress to using this new common language, otherwise we will remain the Tower of Babel.

At the day to day PMR experience level, we are indeed feedback grazers, keeping in mind that short term unpleasantness may be associated with a good intent, but the feedback kicks in after and is eternal, and the impact on QoC is a gift that keeps on giving.

Karma, feedback, you reap what you sow....all of this points to good intent being "intelligent selfishness", or big picture selfishness. PMR selfishness is just plain dumb and counter productive.

an intent will cause feedback on the physical (immediate), mental (relates to PMR effectiveness), and emotional levels, in the short, medium and longer term. I believe NPMR feedback can be classified as emotional. Like a laser beam splitter, the system will be sending feedback to our IUOC as quality ticks +/-, and as well sending feedback to our FWAU as positive or negative emotions.

the trick of life is parsing out negative emotions, and doing self tests to identify negative feedback, vs constructive signalling regarding boredom, loneliness, PMR risk management, sensor platform maintenance....and so on.

if you are bored and lonely, and are not taking care of your retirement plan or sensor platform, there will be so many negative emotions floating around, you won't know which way is up

A good intent is a beautiful glass figurine or seashell, that you pick up and put on a shelf, and it is there to give you pleasure, into eternity

A bad intent is a piece of dog dropping, wrapped in paper, that you stick in your pocket, on a hot day, on the way to a meeting with someone important.

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Your Karma ran over my Dogma. ;)
Love
Bette

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what is?
Consciousness.

Sometimes the dogma catches the karma

Would the dogma know what to do with the karma, if he caught it?

...that's the best I can come up with ; - )

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