Is it possible that conciousness is data, in the sense that everything is data, including the non-virtual elements of AUM

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I think this is a misunderstanding.

Everything that is, is just information, even the fundamentals of non virtual AUM, and could not be anything else, but this is very abstract philosophizing

Slightly less abstract is that conciousness requires free will and memory, so that there can be learning

Such that even a self entraining software program with free will might become concious- become animated by an IUOC, I believe

It's been awhile since I have read this specific stuff, so take this with a grain of salt

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I thought about that and as far as we know it could be, But for some intuitive feeling I don't think so. It seems like to me to be apart of the data, Some kind of stuff intertwined with the data. And that stuff is what AUM really is. I think we might already know we just cant process the knowing in this VR. Fred searching for truth

Like I said in my view data can not perceive data. It seems like everything in our awareness is data. But the part of AUM that perceives it, Is some other kind of stuff and that is what AUM really is. This is just my view with my experience, I don't think toms sees it this way. Fred searching for truth

Everything is not just data. I don't say that without making the distinction I make here. There is digital code which functions to perceive, to process, the digital data. The only way that the phrase "it's just data" comes in is that it is all 1s and 0s and superficially no way to distinguish between other than as it functions. If you could look at it as we might print out a computer program at its most fundamental as 0s and 1s, we would not readily be able to tell which was which. In a PMR computer, composed of different pieces, it is a little easier to make the distinction. But ultimately if we looked at program code and data residing on a hard drive, it would all come down to 1s and 0s.

Ted

Ted I guess you would agree that our (awareness) reality here is data. And the other thing necessary for processing is what you call the digital mind. And that (stuff) digital mind is what we are. Fred searching for truth

Fred,

we are not separated pieces of LCS, we are LCS. Therefor we are data, as well at the same time we are interpretation of data. All of this happens instantaneously and at the same moment. There is no division between data and its interpretation exists in NPMR, and PMR's division is virtual, as everything else here.

Lena

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I agree we are apart of LCS, I am saying in my view we the (LCS) are more than the data we process, That is just our (reality) awareness. We the (LCS) are the stuff that process data. I am describing the fundamental reality from which all the data arises from, Not this VR which I know is (virtual) a dream of sorts. Data can not perceive data in my view that stuff that process data is the LCS. Data is only a natural part of it. Fred searching for truth

Yeah we're the data we ALL process. :)
Love
Bette

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All That Is
what is?
Consciousness.

Don't you mean our reality is the data we all process? Fred searching for truth

Fundamental Reality is data Fred. I've been a "bottom line" person looking for fundamental and this does work for me. Everything is derived from data even an ability to process it.
Love
Bette

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Fast, think of it like this...Before self awareness of consciousness it was "just data" in the sense that you are thinking, but that unaware data was still consciousness. Instead of intent directing the unaware consciousness all the different pieces of data were simply interacting with themselves much in the same way plants interact with the environment here without being aware. One day it just so happens that all the unaware consciousness interacting with each other took such a form as to where it developed awareness. Now instead of the data being random there was a tiny bit of intent involved. This sped up consciousness evolution, consciousness slowly began structuring itself in more efficient ways that lead to growth(more self awareness/power of intent) and eventually you get to the point where we are now. Any questions?

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Fred,

we are not part of LCS, but we are LCS. What do you mean by 'more, than the data?'

I would attempt to use a software example. Behind each software is so many code lines. Each software interface would look different, i.e. we as users can see difference, this is a game, and that is a photoshop, otherwise it would be very cumbersome to remember and work with computers. But a program language might be the same, C++, visual basic, and etc, and at the core, for a computer to process this information, all code contains 1s & 0s. All computer information at its basic level is just 1 & 0. A regular user doesn't have to be aware of that to learn how to works with computers.

Data, 1 & 0 is metaphors, as Tom has said it many times in his book, everything what we have to express with a help of any language is metaphors.

Lena

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That seems like a possible theory, I just view it differently it seems like the stuff from where data comes from is what we really are. Unless you assume it came from nowhere. I think it was a non physical mass that naturally creates processes and modifies data. Now where that comes from who knows. This is my view based on my exploration of consciousness. But processing these things that I seem to know is so uncertain with the constraints of the virtual brain. It could be that data floating in the void organized it self without the non physical mass I described. But my intuitive feel says that does seem right. When we process data through AUM without the constraints in this VR is when we really have an accurate view of these hard questions. We probably already know most everything we just cant remember. It would not be a (VR) dream if we were awake. We are all probably idiotic and ignorant in this PMR we just don't realize it until we wake up at some point. Fred searching for truth

What I was describing, to my knowledge is exactly how Tom put it in MBT, just in different words. So it's not my theory, but the MBT view of things.

I still think you are not getting that non-physical and physical are the same thing just different perspectives. They are combined. It's not like consciousness created the data that lead to awareness. Consciousness was the data that lead to awareness; It was simply "unconscious data" until it become aware, or conscious. There is a possibility that the beginning of "consciousness"(the unaware consciousness data) came from somewhere. We just simply cannot perceive that outside knowledge so we don't want to speculate. That would be like showing a caveman a car from 2012 and asking him to figure out how it works without him understanding any of the knowledge that lead up to the technology of the automobile, and processes/things within the car.

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