Tom,
Your last reply helped the most. I like things put bluntly rather than warm and fuzzy. I will take some time to let it sink in and then I will see if I have any more questions. Thanks again.

[quote="Peter"] I don't know but it has led me here so I am happy now...[/quote]


me too

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Bette

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[quote="RamonThompson"]When I was a young child, we were travelling to see my father's family the next state over and passed a cemetary. For some reason or another, I apparently stated that my parent's were buried there. Past life memory? Who knows. I was very little then and don't really remember even saying it. Strange thing for a little child to say.


Well there that is, as I'm like to say.

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[quote="twcjr"] (called a "meatsuit").

Tom, this term is icky (to me) as in eww factor. How about "meat puppet"? Is that term taken? as

I just went back and read your reply of liking meatsuit and came to edit this, Peter, so there's that. ;) It was attended to by me so it did its job here in me, the term. I like meat puppet too, for the puppet part (association). The meat part causes cognitive dissonance in me as far as eating meat as enculturated with all the association in this western culture. That's a hard nut to crack, enculturation, no matter what kind has occurred.
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Bette and all,

Control your squeamishness. What do you think incarnated means? In this usage, to embody in flesh. You are just using this reaction as an intellectual defense against perceiving Tom's real high impact statement made just on the previous page. The whole point is that this is a virtual reality. And that in a VR, the reality is the information stream coming into your mind that provides the sensation of having a body, subject to gravity, having all the internal sensations and senses associated with PMR experience packets. You are a mind existing within Mindspace, The One, AUM. All realities such as PMR and NPMR are virtual realities. And here in this usage, a VR means that it appears to be 'out there' relative to you and your perceptions. The incoming data stream generates the appearance of your body as you 'look' at yourself directly or in a 'mirror'. It generates the appearance of everything else that you see as being 'out there'. It generates the sensations associated with all the other senses. All as being 'out there' outside of your mind, associated with the VR body that you sense your mind to inhabit at some point of perception where you feel yourself to exist. While actually, it exists within your mind, where you exist as your mind, with the VR generated by your mind's interpretation of the incoming data stream. This concept permits understanding of everything else. How quantum anomalies work, how shamanism works, how healing works, how OOBE works, how PMR and NPMR work, how near death experiences work and after death contacts. Grab hold of this concept and you have it all within your grasp as well.

Don't let your intellect divert you with squeamishness, associated ideas, metaphors as an alternative to the understanding of the flat statement Tom made. This is in many ways the key concept of understanding MBT. You are a mind existing within The One Mind and participating by time sharing of your mental focus, not simultaneously but sequentially as each tick of each virtual reality clock is generated by AUM. Wrench you mind enraptured by intellection away from diversion by Freudian versus Jungian concepts, string theory versus membrane theory, religion versus spirituality, reincarnation versus a single chance, traps of language, etc. and grab hold of this one concept, understanding who you really are. The true focus of 'graduate school' here in the MBT forums.

Ted

Peter,

This virtual reality frame (our universe) is not so special. There are many such PMRs -- they are all just different. More detail is in the trilogy.

Lena,

"VI's" experience accrues to "Big I" as it occurs to VI -- so nothing is lost. When a VI application inadvertently hangs in an endless self-referential loop it ties up a portion of Big I's resources until Big I can retrieve it (get it unstuck). Sometimes Big I needs some outside help -- it is not as simple for Big I as just rebooting like we do with our desktops.

Glad it helped Josh

Thanks Ted

Tom C

omg, I got that one Ted, yes The One Mind. Thanks to you and Tom. At chapter 7, book 3 now, and really believe I am getting it. I only have one question which means I only have enough understanding to generate one question, but here it is hoping not to confound things. On page 67, number 7, is this literal? Is an IP address enough to send healing energy, and if so does an IP address here level up to my iuoc having a specific IP at the highest level?

I love matter here, it's one of my quips. Everything matters, and is matter. I guess it still works here but is not the big truth I thought it was when it came to me. I'm not materialistic, but fond of matter. Another truth well, this one is partially true, I'm very fond of PMR matter as my behavior here this time around indicates which makes me materialistic in the Big Picture. I really need to step out of that.

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Bette

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Bette,

If I understand your question, the answer is: "Yes, it is". To interact with you in NPMR all I need is to know about you is that you exist. How I interact with you is limited by my ability and any pertinent rule-sets. Healing is just another type of interaction.

Tom C

Tom: "Tom: You may find out sooner because you are that "little bit more evolved" and therefore more open as well as less trapped by belief and less self focused. As that "little bit more evolved" accumulates over many incarnations you should definitely have a sense of the greater reality sooner. However, you won't just incarnate here with full knowledge -- you must "figure it out" each time -- that is show the rule-set works."

I take this as intellectually and on a conscious level you must "figure it out" each time as the consciousness quality should be apparent in the growth you have had from previous experience packets. As you have stated, a person can have low entropy and not manifest any psi phenomena as it isn't necessary but it does happen spontaneously sometimes and is easier for that consciousness.
My mother is a perfect example. The woman is a Saint. She almost never puts others above herself and is the most loving and caring person I know. While intelligent, she has always had a childlike wonder and appreciation of the beauty of the world. My Dad used to say she was a "young" soul but with my understanding now, I would say that she has a high quality and low entropy consciousness. I am lucky to have her as a mother.

Tom: ""VI's" experience accrues to "Big I" as it occurs to VI -- so nothing is lost. When a VI application inadvertently hangs in an endless self-referential loop it ties up a portion of Big I's resources until Big I can retrieve it (get it unstuck). Sometimes Big I needs some outside help -- it is not as simple for Big I as just rebooting like we do with our desktops."

This is a part that I was trying to reconcile with the "you" vs. "YOU" post from above. If it is like the "cowboy" that is a temporary meatsuit for "YOU", I was pondering how it could possibly get stuck and need help to be freed. The retrieval business and the belief system territories are such a big part of the Monroe philosophy and experience of others it seemed probable as a reality. The idea of the "you" being stuck in a self-referential loop makes it clear.

Ramon

Ramon: I take this as intellectually and on a conscious level you must "figure it out" each time as the consciousness quality should be apparent in the growth you have had from previous experience packets.

Tom: You are correct. The question was about developing an intellectual awareness, so that is the way I answered it. An expression of inner quality needs no intellectual component. Your mom sounds like a low entropy being to me. You ARE lucky to have her.

Many actually get stuck in self-referential loops -- a self-reinforcing ego attachment and belief that is tenaciously clung to (e.g. religious fundamentalists) -- but most can be popped out of that loop without too much effort. A few are so obsessed with their ego attachments and beliefs that getting them to pull their head up out of their obsession and look around at the larger reality is more challenging. Almost all are eventually recovered from their "endless" self-referential loops of obsessive ego attachment -- some are just more challenging than others.

Tom C

Tom:
"VI's" experience accrues to "Big I" as it occurs to VI -- so nothing is lost.

Lena:
Thank you.

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Tom,

I just listened to the Sherry Anshara interviews and enjoyed them.
In the first interview, you mentioned that you asked your daughter what she wanted to be named before she was born and that all parents should seek to form a relationship with their chidren before they are born.
What aspect of the being are you interacting with at that point? In the phrasing of the above posts, is it the Big "I" or the little "i" of this particular incarnation that you are in contact with or is there much distinction at that point?
I'm thinking that this is one of those times that it should be understood that it's all one being. This life, past life, total self all one with personal identities and distinctions being virtual and smeared at the edges.

Ramon

Tom: You are correct the individual personality that is going to soon enter PMR has, for the most part, been chosen and is awaiting full physical expression. Early on the communications with your unborn child are more with the Big I personality, as you call it, and closer to term they are more integrated between Big I and the personality that is to be born -- One can continue these conversations after birth as well. However, as time goes by, though one can still communicate with the child's (or anyone's) Big I at any time, one's focus is naturally drawn towards interacting with the Vi (virtual I or little I) personality as it develops.

Yes, because very young children are so open and solidly connected to the whole, much opportunity and depth is lost if you only interact with your children on a physical level. Typically, by six or seven, that solid connection to the whole is buried by our cultural beliefs and overpowered by the entities fascination with the physical environment.

Tom C

While having lunch the other day with my mother, the topic drifted around to after death concepts and reincarnation in general. Thankfully, I had the "meatsuit" and "Cowboy" analogies to fall back on in the wording of the explanation. While I have understood this conceptually awhile, words were difficult. This led to further developments in the conversation.
My mother, for years, sporadically seemed to be communicating with her grandparents via significant dreams. She said that she hadn't had any for awhile and said that maybe they had already reincarnated. I said that that shouldn't matter considering the Big I vs. little i analogy. I did explain best I could about the shift in focus after death and the difficulty in continuing communication for that reason. The following extension of the analogy came out though about why the communication could still continue from "Cowboy" even after death or reincarnation.

Imagine that you had a great time with someone at the party as Cowboy and perhaps had even been to a party or two beforehand with the same person in different costumes. As "Cowboy", you had to leave the party a little early and "Little Bo Peep" (LBP) stayed a little later. You go home and take off your costume but remember that you had something you wanted to tell LBP. It just so happens that you have her cell number so you give here a call. Even though you are home and out of costume, you say "This is Cowboy from the party" because that's how she knows you. Recognition occurs and the message can be delivered.

Take it one step further where the entity has reincarnated. The entity formerly known as Cowboy went to another party after the first one as a completely different character, like the Big Bad Wolf. If he decided to call LBP, still at the first party he would say this is Cowboy, not BBW, for recognition to occur. This would occur at Big I level of course. BBW probably wouldn't even know that it occurred and enjoy the new party where he was dancing with Little Red Riding Hood, having a blast and listening to her tell him how big his eyes were.

Just an idea that spontaneously generated during the discussion. Hope it isn't too far off. I know that it would still fall under the small part of the curve as Tom says.

Good day

Ramon

This is real good Ramon, for being "just an idea". I think everything is just an idea, or am starting to. This is a great idea and useful tool, thank you. You have also cleared an issue I had thought about before, continued communication with a specific character who passed while at the same time understanding the iuoc would be coming back in differently, in a different costume. I know it has been covered elsewhere but this is the first time I attended to it, thank you for keying it for me.

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Bette

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