I watched 2 parts of this interview and observed his body language and his eye movement. There is something very repelling in his whole appearance, and how he is trying to impress his listeners. Whatever his thoughts are, he is very deceiving, and he is not what he is saying.

Lena

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I saw all 7 parts of the interview, and I see no wisdom in what this man has to say,

I rather find it more curious that people want to defend this guy, it's also a bit unsettling. It just shows how easy it is to confuse appearance with actuality.

Two other videos: One & two

A few people can make people drink poison that taste so sweet.

The video 1 that S_S posted above might be the definitive message from Charles Manson.

Ted

THis is a strange phenomonon.

One of my best friends, that i grew up and lived with up to a bit ago...
Was one day saying he seen his Interviews, and was Telling me the same thing Yeahboy is saying.
Few times at a bar he would advicate Manson To others.

*So here is my accesment with my avalible data.

Some quotes from my friend When talking to strangers at party or bars.
"Saton is probably a pretty cool dude"
"Who did i come with....Saton"
"Hail Saton"
(he knows thier is not a saton by the way, its to be funny and shock norms)

He also likes intense deathcore metal, and likes F up Horror movies.
He On the verge of understanding reality from a larger view.
He gets its conscousness, gets Meditations, OOBE, Ego/d-bagism, Halusigens,
He is out of the system. Has no dominate fear group, is Counter Coulture, no religous, no political, no genre. No blind accept social norms.

His view on reality is scattered about... With enough lack of understanding to genereate, Depression then saying that life has no point and nothing matters to all his friends.

THAT being said: My observation is.
*If me or any body other than a serial killer, said the exact same thing as Manson he would have Zero interest. He has minimual interest in me talking about these, or me showing him enlightened stuff. Some part of him finds Value in siding with Manson. thats what ego is good at... tells you to do this and your existence has meaning.

*It seem he only wants to listen or let in (From his perspective) larger data.... from somebody he trust becuase.. he feels he can relate too him. Being countercoulture, can create a fear that stems... F that guy hes a d-bag, a pawn in the system kind of thing. But Manson is an outcast He probably feels like he can listen to him for that reason. I think from his level of understanding Manson does inspire him... Things make sense because may be the ideas are derived from simular places in both of them...

As far as the Killing... maybe somepart of that apeals to some sense of ego he has...Ie if manson really an't so bad.. them those morbid things deep down in me arnt so bad. ect.
Also his model of reality that.. nothing truley matters... Some celeberties apart of a system dieing isn't a big deal to him, aslo his fasination with horror movies, blood and guts to him so what.


About Manson:
* I don't have alot of exerpince here.

But i know this THE BEST>>BEST fear systems Need inspiration, truths for it to work.
I see Mason and followers very simular to this one fear sytem Destiny productions.

D productions; says reality is conscousness, Cultures/systems controll the mind and every thought. We must meditate these thoughts out of us. The system creates all suffering, People starving, forced slave labor, animal cruilty. Our thoughts project the reality around us and all the horror. We must be accountable for ourselfs and apply self honesty, and Self forginess to get past the delusion of ego... so we can be one and equal... Its whats best for every body thats What love is>

**** Now say your slightly emotionaly scared.... have some huge fear of animals suffering or starving chhildren, all from some evil system (capitlisim) huge grudges built up... Yet on the verge of Large understanding... (grown up past typical religions, counterculture ect.) OMG look at all the truths this provides... All the experince in life i couldn't understand... explains so simply... inspiring me, i have person exerpince to back it up... Some part of me feels so drawn to it.. (from scared ego past) so much value it gives my existence... I have meaning know... Doing something good fuffilled.

O wait.....D productions allso says
"allowing the suffering is the purest form of evil"
"If you are not in every aspect of life standing to stop the suffering you are the most evil, where aware and did nothing"
Must, shave head, not listen to music, movies that distract people from the suffering, Spend time blogging, protesting, stoping all bashing of organization. give money, ect. Stop spending time with family, old friends who promote suffering. ect. "

You can see how one can know with those two ingredints, Fear and Insperation, dicarde minor details in the sturctures logic and hold on dearly to sacrad assumptions....

Mason probably did just that... when i get a chance ill watch the videos.... More than likely he very beutifally lays out those two ingredents.

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Kinda being a thread killer here sorry.

I watched the videos:

Manson talks in pure swag... (meaning a non intellectual format... relays meaning, straight to the Being Level.. Meaning refracting patterns through a person system combining a larger data set than they could be aware of intellectually.. Which is what good art, music, poetry, writing, Remote viewing, meditating, being funny ect. is all about) I think its a better format to relay big ideas lots of data the most efficient.

To a person, not apart of a fear Assimilation (church, political, Ideology, Culture, accepted norms). This is the preferred method of transferring data.
Its the most productive. People who do not accept, this form of communication... call it crazy talk.

His process, of being a musician and tons of drugs... He talks in the swag format.
To young people who, surround them selves in swag, and are counter culture. They can probably relate to Mansons format of communication, very few people are "out of the system" and act this way. After seeing so many Assimilated people, maybe a distaste for Assimilated people, creates a slight respect for a "out of the system" person. On top of that, This demographic probably has some dislike to the Systems that Assimilates, Thus a little slight werry ness toward the Legal system.. and don't want to be suck ured like the Assimilated people.

That dislikes...Probably brew up and team up with ego to sweep a few other horrific aspect under the rug... That is the What the Followers did after all. Its the After all.

The issue comes that most of this demographic... Are lacking in the anolitical side, To have any real good view of reality. Thus Manson swagging Inspires the truths they have always felt. But lack the overview to put them in the proper prospective... like a Muhamad going OOBE and calling his self a profit.
"He brings up the killing of Indians...gassing Jews...Monk on fire... Talk of the system... How blind people are." To a Counterculture this affirms truths they have always felt.

With a slight push from ego...
Hes just a dude... playing music...Doing drugs...Trying to feel out the world.
The aspect of the horrible acts...Get washed over just like.. the inquisition.

*****

Him and his followers are the same quality... no different.
Only he was the one most capable of talking. The group was equally horrible.

A Preacher and the Piu sitters, are equals only the Piu sitters are less capable of preaching. If the Preacher was a bad public speaker he would be sitting in the seat. The Preacher doesn't convince the Piu sitters to sit down and give money... The Piu sitters need to sit down any where... the piu doesn't matter.

He instigated the sermon. Him and the followers committed horrible acts. Equal to the level of their quality and understanding.
The preacher in a position of power can influence the followers to give more money. Its less about who the preacher is. Any piu sitter in that position would assume his role.

Its about an Equal low quality group. Wallowed in a constant state of horribleness. Low quality Plus Group= bad things... The constant state of horribleness gives no Reference to no feedback meter of whats right or wrong.
Manson shows no remorse because killing makes him feel like he always feels.. Horrible. Its just a typical Day,
Budda stepping on a Butterfly might make him cringe, because he can detect subtle unproductive to C growth acts.

Watch News, Political channel, argue with every body, every body frustrates you all day. PUnching your WIfe feels normal.

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Thanks S.S. for those two additional videos. :)

Haha, there again, is my point. I love those videos and I see brilliance. When he talks gibberish in the second video that is him telling us what he is hearing from the interviewer --"Blah Blah Blah" them saying nothing. The majority of people see that and say "see? this man is 'crazy' I told you!" And that is what 99 percent of people on this forum will get out of it... But come on, holler back that one percent! :)

I should probably point out that I don't see CM and Tom or MBT as exactly the same or anything, just that they are similar in strange ways. I realize this makes me probably an unpopular person here, to compare Tom at all to Manson is like blasphemy for most. It was just really nice of Ted to let me post something I feel, or at least have felt strongly about in the past. Thanks Ted again, that is nice.

One comparison I have is everyone is uncomfortable with the intensity in Charlie's eyes. Well, have you ever met Tom in person? Those eyes have a crazy inhuman wizard glow! Not crazy as in bad, crazy as in "whoah". Anyway, that is one example of my brain pairing those two. Maybe it wasn't the wisest thing for me to post this thread at all, people will probably just start resenting me and tuning me out. Oh well, I mostly just come on here to reread through Tom's posts.

If it helps at all, I am not as enthused and lit on fire about Charles as I originally was a couple years ago when I first watched his interviews... Still good stuff though. I see a man who has been through many adversities, in jail since he was little, and still he hasn't broken. He is strong minded and is an actual individual when most just pretend. This is what I aspire to.

Nathan

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Teridactal,

There is a problem with this mode of communication. Like what the hell is meant at any given time? Is this to mean weary? Or perhaps worry? Or again, could it be wary? I cannot believe that there is a specific meaning in a group that is so sloppy with their metaphors as you refer to 'swag'. That implies a 'secret' unanimity, an accepted code, that is otherwise invisible. SWAG was originally an acronym for scientific wild assed guess.

Another word to point out: Piu. Is this to mean pew as would make sense in the context? But why is it capitalized? That throws it back into senseless.

Ted

Nathan,

That "crazy, inhuman, wizard glow" is your subjective interpretation, not anything actually present. Your choice, your problem, not the actuality. You do note that many come up with noticing the psychotic in Manson's appearance. And it appears that the more experienced the viewer, the more noticed this is. Age and the resulting experience does have its advantages in dealing with the world.

Ted

Fun fact: Swag is being used as a negative thing now days as well. That context comes from the word swagger and not the scientific wild guess definition though.

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Sincerely, Ego.

Imagine a skeptic coming to these forum and reading this thread. Just imagine that and cringe.

Let's not praise a babbling sociopath/psychopath.

Ted

You should ask Pamela about Tom's eyes. It was the thing that initially stood out to her about him. It is a fact. They blaze in person. On the forilla. (for real)

And maybe growing up just makes it harder to swim out from under cultural belief/ be yourself and not care that you don't fit in. I guess we just need to define psychotic. I mean, I randomly make crazy faces too. And I am working on becoming a nobody.

"I am no more! Nowhere am I to be found! This is freedom." Forgot where that came from. Some monk.

Nathan

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yeahboy-

Charles Manson committed a pointless, horrific, brutal murder. That should make you very skeptical of what he says. It's clear from what you have written that you are just reading into what you says (even to the point of hilarity), like the "everything, nothing" comment. I seriously doubt he was making a larger statement of any kind.

Yeahboy,

The point with Tom's eyes is more proven as subjective by Pamela's reactions than not. Tom and Pamela have a very special relationship. Her reaction is very subjective, just as your is. I have met Tom in person, spent a little time with him at the Charlotte get together. I do not share your subjective reaction.

This is the remark of someone without such experience, as you in fact are. I have a lifetime of not fitting in to the cultural norms. I would suspect that would also be the reaction of the others on this board to whom I am referring, knowing something of their history.

This is not a put-down but a serious suggestion. Have you ever been checked out as perhaps having a tic disorder such as Tourettes syndrome?

"Another word for freedom is 'nothing left to loose'." from a song well before you were born. You continually prove my and others points posting in this thread. Beware of the seductiveness of the statements of madmen. They can parrot wisdom that they do not in fact possess. Charles Manson in fact has a known and proven history of leading astray a group of followers, also in fact of questionable mental status. I remember a story about how someone is changing his flat tire in front of an asylum and manages to lose most of the removed lug nuts from the wheel in the dirt. An inmate standing behind the bars suggests to him that he remove one lug nut from each of the other wheels and that will get him to a garage if he drives carefully. The tire changer says to the inmate, "that's brilliant, why are you in there". The inmate responds, "I'm in here because I am crazy, not because I'm stupid". As I have said, Manson is intelligent and can remember things that he has heard and parrot them back generally appropriately. That he has any great spiritual wisdom is absurd and destroyed by his general performance and appearance.

The time approaches when this thread should be locked. Enough has been said by everyone posting to make things clear to everyone.

Ted

"Nothing I do is right man, unless I stay in a cell. They crowd me in and I got this little space. My life is bigger than this little space! I live in the desert! I live in the mountains man! Im big! My mind is big! But everybody's trying to crowd me down push me down into all these little things that they need me to be and thats not me at all man. Thats not me! He needs me to be violence cuz he needs his a** kicked. Thats got nothing to do with me, I dont respond to it I just shine it on put it on another world. It doesn't exist.

I got nothing in my head. I quit thinking in 1952. My life is not important man! Man I dont know what misery is what the hell ever meant. Thats weakness. I aint got no misery in me. I'm in paradise man. Everybodys my friend. I got no enemies that I know of. Not alive anyway. I don't know what happens to them, they're not in harmony with themselves. I'm the man in the mirror guy. If you like me I like you if you dont like me I dont like you If you swing at me Ill swing back you dig. You cut at me I'll cut ya. You know, whatever you point at me I'll give back to you.
Well sure I'm in harmony with God. Thats just a word we use the word God. OK Ill play, Ill play, theres no game I cant play theres no game I havent played. Ok Ill be the devil then.
I dont like or dislike nothin. I see everything as it is.
I dont have a day.
I just live in ONE day.
I got the thought. I'm reaping it in thought. In thought. It's a thought, you see what I'm sayin? In other words the whole world is in a thought. The Pope sits in a thought, the handballs in a thought everything is in a thought. And I am in the thought of. Peace on earth.
You guys boy live in a thousand illusions. What prison? You got a prison in your mind?
What will I do? Put the Holy Spirit on em. That's a little different between what you heard and what is. There is no doubt in my mind that I would survive. I'm in harmony with the truth. Get in harmony with life and relax. I don't know, that's up to the Ghost. I got no power but the Holy Ghost. Whoa I said! That's what your thinking I'm thinking. And that's in your head not mine. Yeah you dumped it off on me. I was your goat.
I am.
What you think.
And that is.
In your mind! That's not reality. The judgement you're making on this mirror man you got to carry.
I don't break laws. I make laws. I'm the law MAKER.
I can only be responsible for one human being. My own self.

Which there was no such thing as the Manson Family, it was a musical group called Family Jams.
Do what you know is right!
Do what you feel is right inside of you.
I keep it off of me with motions and forcefields!

I'm a lizard on a rock. I'm a coyote or a bug in the bushes. I'm not locked in dollar bills. I'm free.
Outside in your mind? I wouldn't go outside in your mind.

People are scared and they use me as an excuse. They're afraid of what they don't understand and what they don't know.
I got a different way of doing everything. I got my own way_ does that make me bad?
I'm only as violent as I have to be. If I don't have to be violent I'm not.
You do what your love tells you to do. The Infinite Consciousness, the Universal Order that runs in everybody's minds.
I'm whatever you need me to be for you.

When you think I lie then that's because you've got a lie in your heart
And then you come back and say you've got heart, but you've got no heart with a lie.
Your heart beats in the truth.

Dreams of living and dying dont hold any substance.

And you'll say BOOM, that guy had the heart,
I only thought I did"

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"I've learned to reflect. I just reflect back. I know I don't know. I know I'm stupid. I admit. I'm a petty, whatever. I've never been a success at anything. I even got to the point where I didn't want to be a success at anything. What would being a success, what does that mean?
It's hard to remember breakfast.
Anything they can't understand is a paranoid schizophrenic.
I'm a friend to everything I see. Everything I know. Everything I feel.
I don't have that yin and yang that you do. In other words, you can't make me unhappy.

When you leave, go get a BIG ROCK and set it on the table.

I'm that rock on the table.

There's no slack in my act.

I am Love! All the way!

I might face life & death situations four times a day like it was dust on my shoulder!!

Pain's not bad. It's good. It teaches you things.

I'm brand new. Everything I do, is always... Brand New. I'm on the premise of reality.
As far as getting out-- I'm out. You're in. You're backwards. You're upside down. Sanity is a little box. Many people are afraid and they need something to put it on.

Everybody's got something to blame because they don't want to look inside themselves

THE MIND IS ENDLESS. YOU PUT ME IN A DARK SOLITARY CELL AND TO YOU THATS THE END. TO ME ITS THE BEGINNING ITS THE UNIVERSE IN THERE. THERES A WORLD IN THERE. IM FREE.

That's what I live for. music. It's like everybody wants the attention. I don't want the attention. I just like to play music.

I'm not a snibbler. I don't snibble.
I accept my position and I hold it.

If anybody cares they're considered crazy.

Advice? It's within.
Right or wrong. I don't judge.

Well because I'm stupid. I really am stupid. I'm smart in some things, but other things I'm dumb in.
People that tell the truth generally act like they're kinda retarded. I don't get along too well with grownups.
All I care about is my air, my water, my trees, and my wildlife.
I am in the soul. Im in the F.I.S. Family of the Infinite Soul.
I turned everything off a long time ago. Oh I'm a matriarch. I'm a beautiful woman.

You gotta be responsible for your actions.
I'm not your leader.
I'm not your follower.

They can't understand I already gave this physical up.
Which aint an act? Or am I all things to all people in all ways?
Well I can feel the grass growing out there on the lawn, and theres a few trees that got some leaves on it that I can feel.

Never tried to be normal. Normal runs in a little rut down there. I dont know nothing about being normal.

I'm not wise to many things.
But I am wise to one thing.
{what's that?}

.....Well, I'm not going to tell you.


You gotta catch it on your own boy. The trains hard. The roads rough.

Ive been in the nut ward for 10 years so you cant expect me to rationally take this thing serious."

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To talk about it is to walk right by it. Accept the mystery. He had learned this from the river. To wait. To have patience. And to listen. I said to my soul be still... and wait without hope. For hope would be hope for the wrong thing