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I know I sure do. one of the things about Tom message that I like is it challenges people to start thinking of a bigger reality
Sorry, Fred. I cannot recall this Tom's message. I remember, that he always says, that MBT is about our personal changes and growth, that we can change ourselves only. Getting rid of our personal beliefs is a challenge, and we are each other teachers in a sense, that we could see our faults and beliefs in others, and this could be a turning point for us to change. Also Tom says, erybody does their best in this life, and we need to recognize it in others.

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It sure seems to me TLC system Toms talks about challenges you to ponder outside this reality to something much bigger. And I am saying we could do better if we get (nudged), Challenged at the right times, Especially if we are open to it, Maybe we need to recognize that and nudge people as best we can. It seems to be what tom is doing. We all have our styles of nudging. Good luck and happy nudging. Fred searching for truth
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I submit, We seek out challenges for ourselves whether we know it are not, These problems (growth experiences), exist in part of our own making. It really does seem like we are here to grow up, Sometimes we even nudge ourselves into challenges. Fred searching for truth
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yeah, there is simple boredom which can trigger self sabotage

and subconcious nudges, possibly from guides or management, with the intent to mess things up a bit PMRwise, to accelerate learning, or wake someone up, even if there is some FWAU discomfort

and then there is Ted's term Super High Intensity Training ...I will let the reader assemble the acronym

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My experience has been that the only truth I have or will ever have is my own truth. A shared truth is a belief. I question how many people on this forum, when talking about MBT concepts, speak from direct experience rather than belief.

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My experience has been that the only truth I have or will ever have is my own truth. A shared truth is a belief. I question how many people on this forum, when talking about MBT concepts, speak from direct experience rather than belief.
A shared truth can be big truth! And maybe your truth is just a belief! Theoretically speaking MBT concepts are just theory's Fred searching for truth
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My experience has been that the only truth I have or will ever have is my own truth. A shared truth is a belief. I question how many people on this forum, when talking about MBT concepts, speak from direct experience rather than belief.
A shared truth can be big truth! And maybe your truth is just a belief! Theoretically speaking MBT concepts are just theory's Fred searching for truth


It's just data. I am sure that a weevil's truth is vastly different than my own.

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My experience has been that the only truth I have or will ever have is my own truth. A shared truth is a belief. I question how many people on this forum, when talking about MBT concepts, speak from direct experience rather than belief.
A shared truth can be big truth! And maybe your truth is just a belief! Theoretically speaking MBT concepts are just theory's Fred searching for truth


It's just data. I am sure that a weevil's truth is vastly different than my own.

I don't think any weevils are posting on this forum, You must of been parallel processing in weevil land! Nobody here but us people! Fred searching for truth
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A shared truth can be big truth! And maybe your truth is just a belief! Theoretically speaking MBT concepts are just theory's Fred searching for truth


the theoretical aspect of My Big Theory of Everything, is explicit, not theoretical ; - )

as all apparent knowledge is theoretical, including our own existence, the theoretical-ness of anything is not substantive...nothing is 100%

the development and investigation of theory is precious...there is no "just" about it! ; - )

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My experience has been that the only truth I have or will ever have is my own truth. A shared truth is a belief. I question how many people on this forum, when talking about MBT concepts, speak from direct experience rather than belief.
A shared truth can be big truth! And maybe your truth is just a belief! Theoretically speaking MBT concepts are just theory's Fred searching for truth


It's just data. I am sure that a weevil's truth is vastly different than my own.


I don't think there is any "just" regarding data ; - )

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Perhaps. If it's effective communication though. That's what I shoot for. The metaphors that work for you may not work for someone else. Just might be just fine for some.

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A shared truth can be big truth! And maybe your truth is just a belief! Theoretically speaking MBT concepts are just theory's Fred searching for truth


the theoretical aspect of My Big Theory of Everything, is explicit, not theoretical ; - )

as all apparent knowledge is theoretical, including our own existence, the theoretical-ness of anything is not substantive...nothing is 100%

the development and investigation of theory is precious...there is no "just" about it! ; - )

Yea! Yea! we all have different ways of looking at concepts, To me its just a theory that gives you a way of understanding reality in a scientific way, With simple metaphors. I like it! But in our constrained mind here who really knows how it really works. When we really wake up! we will probably all realize how idiotic and ignorant we where in PMR. Fred searching for truth
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