Hi,
MBT, and it stands on reincarnations tell us why SUC dont remember past lives, and past time inbetween lives.

I can not find Toms stand, about time after death. Just after dying.
I red the part obut meeting uncle Sam, waiting in a row (to calm you down) and so.

But, can one, and does one REMEMBER his minutes befor dying - just AFTER dying ?

Does it really must be like this "what the hell ? where am I ? ".
Or one can remember: "i was driving the bike, i saw car hitting me, so I remember and I must be dead".

Can one maintaine flow of thoughts after point of death ?
maybe in this example (to take out factor os suprise death)

You take gun (for whatever reason), and decide to make a suecide. You read MBT, and you load gun and say: "in next minute i am gonna be dead, uncle sam will be waiting for me, so i will not be confused and disoriented, becouse 1 second before this, i have in my mind MBY and next proces how it goes on."

Can one remember what he did and think minutes after dying, or it MUST be disorientet and in WTF ? state of mind ?
Regards Romancro

Hi Romancro,

If we take all the reports out there and sift out trends in observation that get quite a bit of repeating, it looks like the answer to that question would be "It varies tremendously among people". And, when you think about it, that would be consistent when we consider people who are alive one minute and .... alive the next. Often they seem to be making a smooth connection from one moment to another, but sometimes not so much. If you take a person and suddenly drop him into a radically different environment (which the experience of dieing can be), he may well become disoriented. On the other hand, there are a zillon reports out there of people who die and don't even notice! ...some even maintaining a resolute disbelief in anything like 'the afterlife!'

Yet again, the reports of the thoughts of successful suicides after the fact pretty consistently go "Oh SHIT! Nothing changed! and I still have to learn how to deal with the same issues!"

I can only answer based on my understanding of MBT, various NDE literature, and my own limited NPMR experiences, but my understanding is this: The experience of death (and recall of what led to it) depends on how many previous times you have been through the cycle, your current level of awareness and understanding, type of death, beliefs, fears, expectations, "personality" of IUOC, etc, etc.

My first OBE was intensely vivid and involved traveling though a tunnel. I knew that I had been asleep in my bunk on a ship, so my assumption at that moment was that I had died in my sleep - though the memory of my physical existence did seem distant and almost unimportant from that perspective. Our current state of awareness (the reality in which we are focused) tends to feel natural and fundamental (even if we don't believe in it). For me anyway, as I zipped along in the tunnel, as crazy and bizarre as such an experience should have felt and seemed - it felt very natural and normal, while my physical existence seemed more like a past dream. This still holds true with subsequent lucid dreams and OBEs.

I do no think that complete disorientation and confusion is a common or fundamental reaction - not to the level that it causes panic or fear. Most NDE accounts that I have read lead me to think that it is not too different than having a lucid dream of OBE. NPMR feels strangely natural and it seems that most feel (knowingly or unknowingly) natural and comfortable with the "new" state. So, the short answer is likely that much of the memory of the events that led to death depend on many, many factors. In the same way that people wake up differently in the morning from a dream - some hop up with full dream recall, some take 15 minutes to open their eyes, some roll out of bed and start the new day leaving their dream in the dust, etc, etc.

EDIT: Montana posted while I was typing. Well said.

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Justin,

it puzzeles me.
YOu say it depends on how many times you have gone throu process.

But Tom talks about many examples, where person (upon death), is puzzleed to what is happening - in sens of "i was sleeping, walking, driving, and what the hell is happening to me now?"

This, i suppouse has nothing to do with past cycles. Prom this, it derives that person (in death) knows what he was doing minutes before death - and there fore is puzzled why isnt he doing it any more.

So point of my question is, thoes the same principle appears when you are "ready" to die, and yoo know you are going to day in few minutes, so when you cross the line - do you still know what you are doing, like in walking example.

You say to your self, "ok, next second i will be dead so i hope i remember this sentence and wont be so suprised, why am i floating in front of my body".

Roman,

most people are not aware of what could be expected after they are dead. Fear of death is the most powerful fear, and it could be expressed and subdivided in more small fears. An accidental death can bring a lot of confusion. These people need help to became aware of their death. Otherwise they would be trapped in an illusion of the last moment of their life. PMR attachments of any kind could be a barrier too. People simply are not able to give up their PMR possessions or could worry about what happens to their loved ones, and it would keep them from a realization, that they are dead.

I know several cases, when an elderly person was ready to die, but their family had a very strong intent to keep them in PMR. This is not helpful at all to a dyeing person, and could bring even more confusion at the time of death.

Lena

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How many times one has gone through the process is one of the factors that can effect the experience. If somebody has spontaneous OBEs, their reaction to the first one will likely be much different as compared to their reaction to number 300. Similar idea. This is even notable in reports by those who have experienced 2 or more NDEs in a single lifetime. Again though, that is just one of many factors.

Saying or thinking something one minute before death could have some effect, but it would be small in comparison to the effect that your fears, beliefs, understanding, past experiences, awareness, etc would have.

Also keep in mind that Tom's examples were likely ones in which the people needed help transitioning because of their fears, beliefs, expectations, etc. It is not fundamental that we are confused or disoriented at death. Tom has also discussed that some do not need to see uncle Fred or go through the same processing (waiting in lines, etc). I believe he mentions this in one of the MBT get-together videos on youtube, but I can't recall which one.

Being ready to die is much different than saying or thinking something before death and has to do with those factors mentioned above. Being ready to die (at the being level) would allow for a smooth transition and would likely be much different than somebody that died suddenly in a car crash. However, if that person in the car crash was familiar with NPMR and had little or no fear of death, then they would be, by definition, "ready" as well. That transition, would likely also be smooth (in comparison to somebody that was not ready).

You are only puzzled if the circumstances are puzzling :)

This is an excellent topic to experiment with in lucid dreams and OBEs.

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Tom has described the transition for someone who is advanced in development to coming home and sitting down after reading an engrossing and high quality novel and thinking it over as to what one might want to remember as worthwhile out of the total. Or to coming home after a busy week at work and relaxing and reviewing because you have another hard week ahead after the weekend or so off. Not everyone requires the elaborate charades and processing. A suicide is definitely described as getting a lot of processing and retraining before the next PMR packet.

Ted