Being sick in this primitive state of evolution does seem to have its benefits, It teaches us in many ways, for the sick person, And also people around them. If we leave our health up to other people, especially for profit medical science. Well it seems we will be stuck in this cycle of illness for eons, Once we learn we have magnificent (power) capabilities inside of us, we no longer stay the victim. We then began to realize the subjective nature of reality and our part in it. This is going to be A hard sale because it does take A lot of power and control away from the materialist, Especially when its good business for them. It really does seem we can find better ways of evolving. To tell you the the truth I am sick and tired of being sick and tired, of this illness cycle. When will it ever end! Fred searching for truth

The alternative start to a Reality that started much like this one in my book has a different health care model too. The people are still primitive in the story but by book three or four the health care system should be fully developed. The Willow tree plays into my story already before I even heard on the news yesterday that aspirin has benefits beyond preventing heart attacks.
Love
Bette

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All That Is
what is?
Consciousness.

Our reality was designed to be filled with all sorts of useful and valuable natural compounds to help life in PMR. Of course, you can smear kangaroo dung on your forehead, with the right Intent, and produce healing. I. e., Consciousness is the basis of reality.

Ted

There is nothing wrong with medical help and taking medication, when you are sick. I don't think, that it could be considered wise do not take children to see a doctor, avoid medical help, when one has pneumonia, heart attach, stroke or any other life threatening illnesses, which can be treated. It is better to have a strong health and never seek medical help, but if health is not so good, medicin and pills could be helpful. PMR medicin is not perfect, but none of us either.

Lena

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Lena find a way that best suits you and your health, There is a lot of good things to choose from, I just think our current way of healing is very primitive and has a lot of room for improvement, I personally don't think anybody is responsible for my health but me, I just don't have a lot of faith in doctors and drug companies, Besides being lousy healers, They also seem to be doing as much harm as good, I think this new science coming into play is going to empower the individual like never before, And bring a holistic mindset to the healers of the future. This is my sincere hope. Fred searching for truth

Fred,

this reality is a representation of who we are, all of us. Whatever is going wrong in our society, this is us, our immaturity, our irresponsibility, our lack of compassion. We are one not only in the greatness of All it is, but in all faults, mistakes, mistreatment, and fear. Denying it is refusing to take responsibility for our own intent, thoughts and actions.

Lena

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'Real knowledge is to know the extent of ones ignorance.' Confucius.

I think Andrew Weil has a good balance between hard and holistic medicine.

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Does this PMR make my butt look big?

[quote="Lena"]Fred,

this reality is a representation of who we are, all of us. Whatever is going wrong in our society, this is us, our immaturity, our irresponsibility, our lack of compassion. We are one not only in the greatness of All it is, but in all faults, mistakes, mistreatment, and fear. Denying it is refusing to take responsibility for our own intent, thoughts and actions.

Lena[/quote That is Presley the point we give up our power by being stuck in fear and belief traps! I am not trying to save the world, Only trying to open its eyes to the potential within. Its up to the the individuals to choose, All it seems we can do is be the object of change. Tom it seems to be at the lead in this, Its seems at least to me we must carry the message as best as we can. The medical system needs bigger picture ideas to be really effective, My point is to take responsibility for your well being! And stop giving it away to the educated egos! who just keep raking the money in. I think real and lasting change comes from the bottom up. Fred searching for truth

Fred,

This is not a plan, but emotions. What do you think should be done? What is your today alternative for a cancer patient, one who suffered a heart attack or stroke, for a child with a cerebral palsy, for someone after a car accident? What is your plan for those patients in five, ten, twenty years? Do you see a new emerging branch of medicine or healing modality to step in and help ill and suffering people? Before this kind of miracle might happen we have to stop demanding more from others and turn to ourselves to see what could and should be changed. To be disgusted with this world means, that our ego is booming and blooming, because we believe to have a sacred knowledge, but the rest of our brotheren exists in a dark. This is not true. We are not a group of visioners who cannot wait to make others enlightened. We are not on a mission to open to the world the Truth. We are this world, and reading Tom's book doesn't make us like him, and Tom doesn't care his books in his hands like Prometheus his torch.

At the best each of us has his/her small personal truth, but each of us here on this BB has fear, ego, beliefs, and we are not better, than the rest of this world. Everybody does their best to live life. Reading MBT is a guiding light for those who first and foremost want to change themselves. Changing process is a life long endeavor, for all of us one life is just a small step in a right direction. How many lifes it would take to significantly reduce personal entropy, fear and ego nobody could tell. Learning to be aware of who we are, what is our intent, why we feel this or that way is a quest big enough by itself. Change yourself, learn how to reduce your frastration, live gracefully with uncertainty, help those who put their request for healing on BB or other forums, where people help each other. Demanding from others to get changed never worked.

Lena

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Between 30% And 40% of deaths in hospitals are by mistakes, The prescription drug epidemic is sweeping the nation like a plague. About 75% of people with Cancer who die, Are from the treatments. Hundreds of thousands of operation are unnecessary. Even with all this and more going on, that has nothing to do with health, I find people just keep defending it and go on about there business. You are probably right this does get emotional, Enough so I like for people to wake up to there responsibility to there feelings . The only thing I can do is nudge people to become aware, And let them find a way that best suits them, As you have. I don't have any answers for other people, All I try and do is share my truth and experience. None of us are any better, but we do seem to have a lot of differences. Oh I have never read Toms books nor do I plan to. Fred searching fir truth

Fred,

Do you have any reference sources for those statistics? They would be highly desirable rather than just throw out numbers. As I tend to state it (as do they themselves), doctors practice medicine. That does not mean that it does not all work or that they are all unskilled. You just have to apply your own judgment as well as consider theirs. Some must rely on doctors and the system that purports to make sure that they know what they are doing for lack of any alternatives. As Lena does healing by Intent herself, she is not unknowledgeable of the field from both directions. Some things are best treated by conventional medicine. Other can better be treated by alternative means. Do not make claims beyond the bounds of your own knowledge.

Be aware that this is the kind of rash statement that leads me to keep my eye on you and be more concerned about what you post here and its quality rather than assume that you are in fact gradually learning. If this is the case, why are you here? If you are here to learn, fine, although reading Tom's books would give you a considerable boost from what I have seen of your posts. If you are here to argue and just support some other points of view, this does not fit with the purpose of the board. There are plenty of other places to do so.

Ted

The reference for the points I made I have seen and heard in the media, You can not hardly pick the paper up without seeing the most prevalent epidemic prescription drugs, I post things to learn about this reality and to get feedback and I have learned a great deal in the short time I have been here. My ways of making a point might not fit in with your mindset but I feel confident about my motives.This system of medicine we have has a lot of room for improvement that was the main point I was trying to make. Just as you think about our political system. Just because I have not read Toms books does not mean I don't get what he is saying. I did not think being honest was rash. I really don't see any of us arguing I see it as discussing.The long running topic you started could seem like arguing and bickering to some people. To get back to the topic if you would view my first response to Lena I think you will see my main motive. Thank you for your honest feedback. Fred searching for truth

If anybody has any doubt about the statistics of deaths caused by mistakes in hospitals, Deaths do to chemotherapy, Unnecessary operations, Prescription drug deaths, Please use the internet media to see for yourself. I stand by my view that this current system seems to me to be unacceptable, and has a lot of room for improvement. Not to say it does not offer a lot of good things. just be aware of its limitations. Fred searching for truth

Fred,

you cannot make such clames and allegations publicly and do not provide sources of this information. Why should we believe in what you are saying? Unless you could provide links to this information, this is your emotions and personal frustration only.

Lena

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"The media" is so overrated. So are a lot of studies and statistics. I came across a good example of this today actually, involving a certain brand of baby formula and some faulty biased science towards it. Magicians are not the only ones good at "slight of hand" techniques.

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Sincerely, Ego.