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PostPosted: Fri Mar 23, 2012 9:00 pm 
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I know, I like ever body else gets emotional, I think its more of a driven passion for me to share my views on this topic. You are right I am frustrated with this current system, But is does not take away from the fact of its obvious flaws. I don't know how to put the websites up like most people do here, All you have to do is goggle something close to what I wrote and you will get many articles. And this is really old news I thought. Anyway Lena my main point is there is a lot of improvement to be made, And a lot of it is up to us, I am not saying its all bad In fact it has many marvels, I just think people should be aware of its flaws. It could help you know. Fred searching for truth


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"The media" is so overrated. So are a lot of studies and statistics. I came across a good example of this today actually, involving a certain brand of baby formula and some faulty biased science towards it. Magicians are not the only ones good at "slight of hand" techniques.

I would agree with that, But it seems where there is a lot of smoke there is some fire (truth), Especially if it correlates with your direct experiences. Fred searching for truth


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"The media" is so overrated. So are a lot of studies and statistics. I came across a good example of this today actually, involving a certain brand of baby formula and some faulty biased science towards it. Magicians are not the only ones good at "slight of hand" techniques.

I would agree with that, But it seems where there is a lot of smoke there is some fire (truth), Especially if it correlates with your direct experiences. Fred searching for truth


Even a broken clock tells the right time twice a day, yes (unless it's digital :D). You have to be careful when you assume truth in things just because they correlate with what you believe though; That can lead you in the opposite direction of truth a good amount of the time. Most of the time it is the unseen that makes all the difference. It is your job to find it.

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"The media" is so overrated. So are a lot of studies and statistics. I came across a good example of this today actually, involving a certain brand of baby formula and some faulty biased science towards it. Magicians are not the only ones good at "slight of hand" techniques.

I would agree with that, But it seems where there is a lot of smoke there is some fire (truth), Especially if it correlates with your direct experiences. Fred searching for truth


Even a broken clock tells the right time twice a day, yes (unless it's digital :D). You have to be careful when you assume truth in things just because they correlate with what you believe though; That can lead you in the opposite direction of truth a good amount of the time. Most of the time it is the unseen that makes all the difference. It is your job to find it.
Again I would agree, But some of the things I point out are facts, and others are just statistics and some are by direct experience over a period of decades. It is a fact people die from side effects of drugs, Also by medical mistakes, And it is also good business to operate on people. Again the main point I am tying to make is to be aware, Empower your self with self awareness for your best outcome in a situation, Especially when your well being is a stake. I have been putting this in peoples awareness for years and I am not the only one, there are a lot of people with impeccable back grounds that go after this tooth and nail, I just simply slip it in when I think the time is right. Like Toms says be aware of belief traps! Me included. I know this pushed Teds and Lena's buttons but maybe after they calm down they will see I am only trying to help in the best way that I know. I really don't think my truth is fragile. I am just not one to sugar coat things when I am being as honest as my capabilities allow. As always find a truth that best suits you. Fred searching for truth


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Mostly Fred, you are failing to document what you claim and you are not relating it to MBT which you state that you will not read. You are simply using this board as a platform to advocate based upon your attitudes. You have a great deal to say, based entirely upon your attitudes and ego which seem interlocked. You seem to have no intention to improve this situation despite a legitimate request. Your value thereby as a contributor is not up to the volume of your productions. Perhaps you should create your own blog where you can pontificate at will and see if you collect followers, elsewhere? This is not an open platform for your preaching, outside of any questions of the quality of your sermons.

You could learn a great deal here but you seem to adamantly choose not to do so.

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If anybody has any doubt about the statistics of deaths caused by mistakes in hospitals, Deaths do to chemotherapy, Unnecessary operations, Prescription drug deaths, Please use the internet media to see for yourself. I stand by my view that this current system seems to me to be unacceptable, and has a lot of room for improvement. Not to say it does not offer a lot of good things. just be aware of its limitations. Fred searching for truth


everyone has an error rate, and there are ways to mitigate risk. For example, when getting a leg cut off, it is wise to write on the other leg "not this leg!" There are books on how to interact with the hospital system to maximize your safety.

medical professionals are human, they have a very wide decision space regarding the level of care you receive, and the level of care you receive can be greatly impacted by how you interact with them. A friend of mine would leave a bouquet of flowers at the nurses station when his mother was hospitalized, and he spoke to the nurses and doctors with great deference, and dressed professionally.

everyone, and every institution, has an incentive structure, and the health consumer becomes more effective when understanding the incentives of the health professional and the health institution, and positioning himself to resist unhelpful incentive pressures. When I had a gastro problem, based on a 30 second assessment, my doctor started steering me to gall bladder removal, which was not needed and I successfully resisted this after careful study.

to a great extent, medicine defaults to a pill dispensing industry, rather than a health outcome, and the incentive structure rewards medical activity, rather than health outcomes. If you do not take control of your agenda, someone else with a BMW lease to pay, or a governmental policy guideline objective (rationing), will.

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Just because I don't want to read MBT for my personal reasons does not mean I don't get what it is about, I would rather view the videos, Questions and answers, As I have for 2 years, It is what I choose. AS far as your other remarks, it does seem like a double standard one for you the Adm. and one for others, You do have that right! But it seems like you are the pot calling the kettle black, My views seem to me to fit in with MBT as much as anybody's. This current topic is one example of my attempt to open peoples awareness to the bigger picture. As yours are about the political issues. The data I put out is available on the internet and in the media, And has been for years. Some of the statistics seem to be sky rocketing. Your assumption of me not learning is just that. I find no need to defend myself just because my methods are to far out for you, Its my motives I stay concerned with. I feel comfortable in my own skin for the most part, Especially on this topic. I see your point, it Just seems to be pointing at you also also. Look up prescription drug deaths, accidental hospitals deaths, unnecessary operations, Chemotherapy deaths, these are just some things to start with. Maybe my ego is in play somewhat here, Maybe some fear also, But I can still Precede ahead with my truth as best as I can. Fred searching for truth


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If anybody has any doubt about the statistics of deaths caused by mistakes in hospitals, Deaths do to chemotherapy, Unnecessary operations, Prescription drug deaths, Please use the internet media to see for yourself. I stand by my view that this current system seems to me to be unacceptable, and has a lot of room for improvement. Not to say it does not offer a lot of good things. just be aware of its limitations. Fred searching for truth


everyone has an error rate, and there are ways to mitigate risk. For example, when getting a leg cut off, it is wise to write on the other leg "not this leg!" There are books on how to interact with the hospital system to maximize your safety.

medical professionals are human, they have a very wide decision space regarding the level of care you receive, and the level of care you receive can be greatly impacted by how you interact with them. A friend of mine would leave a bouquet of flowers at the nurses station when his mother was hospitalized, and he spoke to the nurses and doctors with great deference, and dressed professionally.

everyone, and every institution, has an incentive structure, and the health consumer becomes more effective when understanding the incentives of the health professional and the health institution, and positioning himself to resist unhelpful incentive pressures. When I had a gastro problem, based on a 30 second assessment, my doctor started steering me to gall bladder removal, which was not needed and I successfully resisted this after careful study.

to a great extent, medicine defaults to a pill dispensing industry, rather than a health outcome, and the incentive structure rewards medical activity, rather than health outcomes. If you do not take control of your agenda, someone else with a BMW lease to pay, or a governmental policy guideline objective (rationing), will.
That is the point I have been trying to make, Its good to see fear did not stop you from posting your truth. Wake up people
we are responsible for our own recovery, And evolution! Fred searching for truth


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it is better to be modest and humble and do not assume, that your personal truth is what everybody else is looking for.

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Just be mindful that Ted is assessing you on many levels, not just regarding technical accuracy, if I am interpreting correctly.

The emotional tone and QoC aspect of your interactions becomes increasingly important, as time passes, and as volume increases, as it effects the overall tone of the board, which Ted is managing.

Like the cop walking the beat, there is the probing challenge to test the ego and quality of the person who makes an unexpected gesture.

ego must be below a certain tipping point, to pass the test, and the interaction will be designed to stimulate and flush ego out of the brambles, to force a decision point.

according to my calculations, forming an Intent to become a more loving person, may have a direct and immediate impact on your health.

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You are right Lena and I am working on that, My emotions do get the best of me sometimes. May we all live long and prosper in good health. Fred searching for truth


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That is the point I have been trying to make, Its good to see fear did not stop you from posting your truth. Wake up people
we are responsible for our own recovery, And evolution! Fred searching for truth


I think you are misinterpreting the interactions.

The individuals you are interacting with have profound experience with health care, and I think they are just trying to help you move toward a more thoughtful, balanced, analytical approach, to what is a legit observation.

With less presumption, judgement, and passion, you might learn something from them.

You seem to think this is some sort of environment where simpleton doctor worshippers control the discussion, and that we need to have some sort of revolution to break out of this. Boy have you got the wrong number.

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Just be mindful that Ted is assessing you on many levels, not just regarding technical accuracy, if I am interpreting correctly.

The emotional tone and QoC aspect of your interactions becomes increasingly important, as time passes, and as volume increases, as it effects the overall tone of the board, which Ted is managing.

Like the cop walking the beat, there is the probing challenge to test the ego and quality of the person who makes an unexpected gesture.

ego must be below a certain tipping point, to pass the test, and the interaction will be designed to stimulate and flush ego out of the brambles, to force a decision point.

according to my calculations, forming an Intent to become a more loving person, may have a direct and immediate impact on your health.
I get that big picture, And I do agree we do need some order. I will be the first one to admit I need a lot of work in growing up. I know my radical style pushes a lot of buttons. It seems to me for the most part we are all learning as best as we can. I also agree with being positive and loving as being a healthful quality. Fred searching for truth


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Koren, I am learning from these people at a very fast rate, I think they have a lot to offer as you also, And many others. I too have a lot of direct experience on this issue. And I just think it is a good thing to but in peoples awareness from time to time, Maybe this was the wrong time, I think it is mostly an issue of my delivery, And they do have a point. Fred searching for truth


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Why are you all messing with fast all they did different is say they haven't read MBT and probably won't. The medical system is mucked up bad and if you have someone you love (small l) going in for ANYTHING they need you or someone organized with them 24/7 to avoid mistakes and being ignored. Like that behaviorist I can't think of the name of, give me a woman wanting a baby and I can nutritionally create an extremely healthy infant that with continued "training" will be a healthy adult given at least average genetic potential for health. To really meet all health potential the pregnancy nutrition and behaviors of the mom are the start.
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