Jeff, and others I started this topic in hopes of getting peoples views on good ways to steer our children from the pitfalls of drug and alcohol abuse, It is a very serous problem here in my area. I make myself public on these issues and the children, teens to 20`s mostly looking for help seem to be very receptive of the mindset of ZERO tolerance. Kids now days are doing everything, huffing paint, bathtub crank, over the counter stuff, prescription pills, etc. And mixing it all with alcohol. The most resistance I encounter are some of the parents and other people I make to feel uncomfortable. These people are usually most all the time doing all types of drugs. Which is fine it is there choice. I find being the object of change, bucking the per crowd, with my simple stance of 0 tolerance to be effective and honest. One of the local juvenile judges in the area tells me he gets confronted in public by parents and other people that his stance of o tolerance is not a good thing. He tells them that is fine, but in VA. o tolerance is the law for 21 and under, and adults caught contributing will be held accountable. I talk to teens to 20`s mostly about MBT concepts they really seem to get it, I learn a lot from our youths, they I think are a big part of the future in this on going history thread. It just seems there are better ways of evolving than to dig ourselves in a deep dark hole of despair as so many of us did in the 60`s. and 70`s. Fred searching for truth

Correction on my quote, its peer crowd, not per crowd, seems like i missed it by that much as Maxwell smart would say.

Once in the judicial system they are simply fodder to keep courts, jails, prisons, probation and parole people employed and it's too late for your grand ideal. Realistic understanding of the difference between huffing paint and smoking marijuana is important. I agree that alcohol is a problem because it is not illegal in the same way as marijuana is so is "socially acceptable" but causes much more damage to society. Personally I see a big use of the current broken "judicial" system is to switch alcohol and marijuana rules to create a dramatic positive change for the people and society.

The use of psychedelics is also cool under a model of Reality not all encumbered by people like you.
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Fred, I guess I was "hoping" to get a straight answer out of you. I hope your reality isn't shrunk to a point that you can't understand or comprehend what people are trying to ask you. "Swing and a miss" is the frustration everyone is having with your threads and "biasedness'ization" towards any piece of data anyone ever gives you. (My way is the highway Fred Searching for Truth)

Why is it so hard for you to understand that I don't drink or do drugs because I choose not to shrink my reality? find a way that best suits you, It has never worked for me, if it does for you by all means help yourself! And yes you are correct it is my way that I choose. Fred searching for truth

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Hi Bette, in my reality drugs are not cool anymore I grew out of that thank AUM. It got me nowhere. You are probably right it is to late for most kids, but if it helps mine and a few around my area it will be worth all the resistance that I run up against. I guess all we can do is change ourselves and be the change we would like to see. Fred searching for truth

When I say "cool" I mean to be saying useful and not the end of the world like you are imagining from your own one experience, this life experience is just one. Now I know Tom is into being able to explore the Larger Consciousness System drug free so in that way you aren't completely out of synch, but in Reality which is larger than even Tom's ideas some substances are useful and are not to be used to judge another's worth with. It is just the same as what religion has done to children teaching them they are born bad, your idea that smoking pot or taking a trip means you are damaged. Fred you are damaged sweetie and you are damaging others if you treat them as if you believe your own BS. Actually Fred it isn't even your own BS, it is regurgitated BS we as a people are evolving out of. Now hush please...
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Thank you Bette I liked that! I hear that all the time no surprise to you I am sure. Most people really dislike this stance of mine even much more than my theory of reliving the unactualized history threads. Anyway, if you ever know anybody having a hard time switching focus to get off the dope! and all else fails give me a shout. Fred searching for truth

If you hear it all the time maybe you should start listening.

What is your cure?
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Fred, as far as drugs, you are onside with Tom's words on this so hang in there regarding the forum bullying.

One parent I know does 4 am pee in a cup testing, and the kid has been shown the boarding school she will be sent to if any drugs are detected.

The thing is, until the kids frontal cortex kicks in, you have to be their frontal cortex, and your methods have to be calibrated to the challenges of the environment.

I agree with your warriorship regarding entropy

Some parents, who are openly atheist, have been known to move to religious regions and put their kids in religious schools, to help tilt the odds in this war against entropy.

Soon, there will be TOEist schools, which should help. You may wish to invest in this probable vector.

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Thank you Kroeran, I am use to it, I expect it, for well over a decade I have been carrying this message. And the few people that I have reached makes it worth while, and they are increasing.You are correct I hold clarity of mind and a manageable life in the highest regards (entropy reduction) that is the main communication I try and reflect. As for the resistance I find it amusing for the most part. Fred searching for truth

Some of Toms words on this...perhaps we have to more clearly parse out kids and drugs vs adult experimentation...as a starting point for discussion

viewtopic.php?f=11&t=5264&p=26335&hilit=+Drugs#p26335

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I do listen, in one ear and out the other! and the cure is abstinence. Fred searching for truth

Thank you, they know. Fred searching for truth