Clearer head this morning.

Have seen Junior Brown several times...and tho he is primarily Country, sometimes he goes into rock/blues/surf mode and plays as loud as Dick Dale.

Rattles the old neurons.

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Having reread your last two posts and keeping both in mind together, I believe I grok what you are saying.

Thank you for your reply. Hope you didn't mind my asking. Learning/understanding is easier by simply asking for clarification instead of assuming or presuming.

Abi,

Apologies for my delay in replying.. No I didn't mind you asking at all, in fact I appreciate you asking. Thank you.


Casey

I just want to clarify that Tom's kind of dismissive and condescending tone and limited portrayal of those who use the term "E.T." is not actually accurate in that it does not apply to everyone.

Meaning, not everyone who uses that term E.T. believes that all E.T.'s are or all E.T. phenomena is about Consciousnesses that hail from our PMR and have virtual physical like bodies like us and fly around in physical spaceships. Some of us are very aware that sometimes it's just the LCS making waves, or IUOC's that are what some might say "nonphysically focused" and can either manipulate our PMR data stream and "manifest" into our data stream in a like manner.

After all, E.T. is short for "extra terrestrial" which basically means, beyond Earth, it does not specify physically or nonphysically so called, and it doesn't actually really matter which is the case because it's the interactions and effects or influence from same which are what are IMPORTANT. Not the semantics of, well most aren't actually physical you as you think of it, you know.

Some explorers besides Tom, like Rosiland McKnight and Bob Monroe (and myself) have become aware that there are indeed true "E.T.'s" in the more classical sense, the kind that hail from other parts of our PMR and who interact with humans in various ways.

I've wondered if perhaps NASA and similar groups have like a contract that people who work for same have to sign. Something that goes like, "Don't talk about or especially don't support the notion that there are PMR E.T.'s that visit the Earth physically, or ELSE!"

Why would i say that, because i know first hand that an unfriendly PMR focused E.T. group has communications with people within or otherwise connected to and influencing the U.S. government and with other movers and shakers in other areas of the world. And the U.S. especially has been co opted in maintaining secrecy of E.T. involvement with the Earth and NASA is an entity that is very much co-opted by these more powerful groups who use fear, secrecy, manipulation to try to control others and general movements or awareness. We live in extremely corrupt, extreme, and controlled times in some ways.

The last thing that these corrupt groups and individuals, or that unfriendly E.T. group, want people to know is the truth about E.T.'s and their long time involvement with us, both constructive and non constructive, and they certainly don't want people to know that their government and much of the rest of world are influenced by a negative group because they desire their advanced technology and weaponry and general greater knowledge.

Vasra,

Being accurate in one's statements and not causing confusion does matter.There is a substantial difference between stating that there are E.Ts. and that there are those from NPMR. There is also value to not putting up such garbled sentences as the last one quoted.

Ted

LS, why do you think that these entities are influencing us in negative ways? And do you think it probable that other beings have achieved intergalactic space travel here in this PMR. I think it to be very probable that we here will achieve that in the future, for whatever reasons. Sabby

Simple case of what happens at the being level. It's like the old saying, "you teach what you are". If you are more towards the negative at a being level, then that's your tendency of influence and interaction. If you mean, what is their conscious "motivation" and intent, and what they think they are getting out of it, i'm not sure on all the specifics. Some beings, just like some people, love power and to have control just for the sake of it and have a pathological need to have or see others become like (or to control) them (conform, conform, kind of like the borg of star trek) and are willing to manipulate, coerce, and force the process without regards to freewill or natural evolution. Fear is always behind it in some way. It may also be that they want certain resources here--we have a very nice, rich, and diverse planet here.

As Rosiland McKnight's guidance pointed out in her sessions with Bob Monroe--we have attracted this group and it's attentions/interactions because of our own negativity. It's a case of "like attracts and begets like". Her guidance sessions indicated that in the probable future, sometime around the 2500 mark, there will be an outright war that takes place between us and them with them being the aggressors. We will get plenty of help from other, more evolved and Loving groups who monitor this wayward group. My wife Becky, had two dreams relating to the very above. She saw herself in a future body and there was at the time, more human space exploration, much overt different E.T. contact and communication, and we were in an out and out war with one particular group though getting help from some of the other groups. Her first dream, btw, she had before she even read Rosiland's book, "Cosmic Journey's" which details her experiences in the lab with Bob Monroe.

These other groups and other influences (like the Big Cheese) are protecting us from direct physical harm and conflict right now because we are too immature technology and spiritually wise, and it would simply be a massacre and the LCS will simply not allow that despite that freewill is quite respected otherwise. It's apparently around this 2500 mark, that we are sufficiently developed in those areas that we will have a fighting chance, will have our hands let go of, and have to face what we have attracted.

But, just because we are being protected from outright physical harm and conflict now, does not mean they are not allowed to interact and try to influence in other (more subtle) ways currently. They are, and they are good at their job. This is not to say they "control" our world ala Icke, or all our problems come from them, etc. Certainly much of the problems here are of our own doing, but things are as extreme here because some of us (especially the already power hungry and selfish) are egged on and allow ourselves to be influenced. See, this group has been around for a long time and known by different peoples from different times and places around the world. Often they have been referred to as the "Dragons", or to the "Demons". There is a bit about them in the O.T. wherein some of the psychics then who reported their experiences could perceive them. There is an ancient Ethiopian scripture found which describes the father of Moses and a Reptilian Being and the ArchAngel Michael contending over who would influence his body/personality.

Edgar Cayce's guidance also once said, "For there has been the continued battle with those forces as Michael fought with over the body of Moses. He that leads, or would direct, is continually beset by the forces that would undermine." excerpted from reading 2897-4



Yes, i don't think they are the only ones that have come here from another PMR focus, and yes i believe that is a probable potential of ours. I was specifically told once, that when humanity builds 3 ships like theirs, it will be a somewhat important marking point in our history. I was also told that by the end of this decade (so before 2020) there would be some public interaction with one (friendly) E.T. group. I suspect this will be a bit after the collapse is coming.

There are two ways to get around the speed of light rule set. One is within our Consciousness is that's how some E.T.'s "travel" and then there is PMR technology that artificially speeds up the vibratory patterns of the physical data stream and allows it to temporarily translate or shift into less limited data streams, but come back out into the PMR. That's how the group above, i've talked about, "travels". In some ways, it's no different than our observation of "ORMUS" super spin state materials that have been observed winking in and out of our perception and reality. These are so called larger and visible to the eye "physical" things, like our VR bodies.

That Tom doesn't seem to believe or understand that such technology or ability is possible, doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Perhaps he needs a little more non human consciousness in him to perceive such things.

LS, thank you very much for that feedback. I really do appreciate the time you put into it. I must admit, that all of it made sense. My interactions with Tom consist mostly of things of this nature. We went back and fourth one time for him finally to admit that he thinks this all to be possible. But he thinks probably not, i for whatever reasons not only think it to be very probable. But i am actually planing for it deep in my consciousness, for whatever reasons, it seem like i know these things but can not remember. Again thank you for your feedback. Sabby

LS,

Perhaps you need to actually read Tom's books and what he has had to say here on the BB.Actually Tom says that anything is possible in a Virtual Reality. What is probable is another matter.

You might consider reading this thread on "Interactions with beings in other lab-type realities" viewtopic.php?f=11&t=2761&p=3731&hilit=aliens#p3731 It is not very long.

Another thread in which Tom posted on this subject is "UFOs - perceptions of other reality frames or PMR fact": viewtopic.php?f=2&t=7109&p=56449&hilit=aliens#p56449 It might be worth your while to look over the rest of the thread as well.

You might even find something worth while here in "Travel in this Universe": viewtopic.php?f=10&t=7198&p=57665&hilit=aliens#p57665

Using the search function is not difficult to do and avoids speaking from ignorance of facts. Are you seeking to prove that your purpose here is to discredit Tom?

Ted

Hi Sabby,

Your welcome and i can relate to the vague knowing kind of feeling. It will come to the surface more, if it's helpful.

Hi Ted,

Thanks for the links, i will take a look at them later on. I've read some of his previous comments about E.T.'s and it's one of the very few areas wherein i very much disagree with some of what he says. But you are right, i should not have used the word "possible" in relation to him, but rather "probable" as i've seen him previously say that pretty much anything is possible.

I'm not trying to discredit Tom, but this particular area is important to me--it's one of the reasons i came back into this PMR to raise awareness of some of the issues of outside influences we are facing as humans and i feel/know it's important to get certain more accurate information across. If that means disagreeing with and dissecting what Tom says about the issue of E.T.'s, then so be it, it's nothing personal and as i've stated many times here before--i think and intuit that Tom is a very mature, helpful, wise, perceptive person and i have a lot of respect for him and his work. I am personally very glad he is here on the Earth at this time, doing what he is doing.

But, if you want to look at me as an enemy, well that's ok too. It's easier than realizing that i just have a more balanced perspective of Tom than some of you who hoist him on an idealized pedestal. Particularly with you Ted, i get the very strong and repeated sense that you think Tom isn't off or inaccurate about anything. You have become soo, soo attached to him and his work, and to your "special" relationship with him that it has becoming limiting for both you and your interactions with others who are not so attached. Or in other words, you are becoming too Pharisaic and dogmatic in nature and are forgetting the Spirit of Tom's work and overly focusing on the form and the letter of the law.

I found it very interesting that you wrote this to and about me earlier,

This is so clearly what some call "projection". Disowning one's own shadow and in ones unconsciousness hoisting onto the other the repressed self judgement and dislike. What do i mean? You are stuck in the intellect and your heart is crusty. You are so attached to the specific labels and concepts and to the intellectual teachings in MBT, that when someone who comes around who uses different words to describe similar or same concepts and who doesn't agree with literally everything Tom says, you get defensive, feel the need to demonize them and then get rid of them. None of which is anything close to living or attuning to Love. It's just simple intolerance and fear based behavior.

And you can't even admit to yourself that i personally push your buttons and upset you, but have to use the guise and self justification of, "it's what's in the best interest for the forum." Did you read my wife's dream? Did you see yourself at all in the old man?

In the past, i have tried to keep my interactions impersonal with you and speak in impersonal or general terms, despite that you would constantly get and stay personal and confrontational with me. It obviously didn't work at all in the past, so maybe this different and more personal approach might get somewhere. Even my teacher, Yeshua, who IS Love, would occasionally speak strong and critical words to some--especially to those who held power over others and who misused it.

If you can change yourself to focusing more on the Spirit of Tom's teachings, to becoming Love, then not only will you become a much happier and fulfilled person, but you will become such a force for positive transformation for you have the necessary other gifts for same. A strong will, a sharp, perceptive mind, a pragmatic approach, a deep loyalty and dedication, willingness to be of service, etc.

Your point in your statement of a dream your wife might have had was perfectly clear to me on first reading. Or since you did not previously mention it, it might just be a fabrication convenient to make a point with verisimilitude.

What is not perfectly clear to you is that your statements that you need not bother to read anything that Tom has written because you already know it is not acceptable as a basis for being permitted to post here, using this Bulletin Board as a platform to preach things contrary to what Tom has to say. Create your own platform elsewhere and create an audience by your own efforts. As I have already stated, if you wish to proselytize for another point of view, do it elsewhere. You have stated your opinion. You have repeated your opinions often enough, and now in 3 different 'incarnations' here on our board, that others besides myself have noted and commented on it. It was actually someone else who noted the repeated pattern you were presenting and called you out as Vasra. I think that this is a prima facie case for calling it proselytizing. You have an obsession with certain subjects and certain points of view. Those obsessions will not become a prominent part of this board.

Whether you know a lot or whether you, as stated in regards to Manson, just know the patter is at present a moot point. Whether you remain here is also an open point at the present. My toleration of your presence depends upon your choice of behavior here. I have other things to do than waste time on you.

Ted

Ted, it is extremely rare for me to even "white lie", let alone completely make up something like that.



Ted, please don't put words in my mouth. I did say that after reading a few hundred pages or so straight of MBT and some extra skimming, seeing various you tube videos, and reading various T.C. posts here, that i felt that i didn't need to read ALL of MBT, because frankly most of the concepts i have come across sans specific physics stuff, i already was familiar with or came to similar conclusions about and moreover Tom repeats himself A LOT in MBT. Maybe some need that repetition, i don't.




And thus low entropy is forced onto others and the group. This is what my wife's dream was indicating, that there should ideally be a more universal, free flowing, tolerant, and spontaneous interaction here, but you and some others want others to conform, to be, believe ,act, and talk exactly as you in YOUR OBSESSION with a fellow human, one Tom Campbell and you will and have used intimidation, threats, and force to accomplish this.

The guidance/directive level of the LCS noted this growing tendency in relation to you and your influence here, and sent me here to stir things up and try to make T.C. aware that you are becoming a limiting influence. Tom occasionally makes mistakes, and your position is one of them.

A more tolerant, heart open, and less dogmatic and rigid person should be at the helms here. Someone who accepts others as they are, unless they are extremely disruptive and over extremist. Someone who more closely reflects the Spirit and core of what Tom and MBT is about. I have a few in mind that i would vote for. None of whom are as autocratic and heavy handed as yourself.

This isn't a democracy it's the MBT discussion board and Ted keeps it to that.
Love
Bette

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I think Tom holds such a high respect for Ted, because Tom is aware of Ted's knowledge and understanding of MBT and beyond. Tom and this forum don't need to be protected from Ted. Ted is doing a wonderful job as Administrator. This BB is dedicated to MBT, and there are a plenty of other websites and forums online supporting New Age ideas. I cannot believe, that you cannot stand Ted and still keep coming back here to fight with him. Why? Do you, Vasra, think that we have been brainwashed by Ted? Or is he drugging us to be here against our free will? Or are we afraid of him? Or the majority of us here is so stupid, that cannot see what you are trying to achieve, Vasra? These questions are rhetorical and the answers are not expected.

Lena

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LS,

You seem unable to get the picture. This is Tom Campbell's web site and his bulletin board. That should be enough said right there. Especially since there is a statement of policy at the top of every forum. Just in case you have manged to miss it, here is a link: viewtopic.php?f=10&t=5547

Despite your desires, this BB will not be turned over to just any loony or megalomaniac that comes down the pike nor to any one like you, under whatever category you might fall. No one here 'worships' or is 'obsessed with' Tom Campbell and the official position is that that attitude, 'gurudom' shall we call it, is frowned upon mightily. You also do not understand that I did not induce Tom to put me in charge of the board and Wiki. He did not really even ask me as I would have likely turned it down as not knowing enough. He just set me up as such. You may not be aware but this BB software has what is known as a Founder level member. Because of the very kind of thing that you are trying to do here, a founder cannot be removed, even by another founder as I understand it. But all Tom has to do is ask me to step down at any time and I will resign. I point this out to explain Tom's attitude and mine. I am presently the only one that he trusts as having full knowledge of his model and MBT in general to put into that position. I work constantly to develop that level of understanding in others so that there is a replacement for me when the system decides that I am no long needed here.

For your further information, the only thing being waited for before you are banned yet again is for Tom to get back to me telling me that he has checked you out in NPMR and determining just who pulls your strings. Other than that, if and when my own intuition tells me is the right time, I will ban you on my own as having adequately disrupted things here and denigrated Tom to justify it. Not to mention past offenses under different avatar names. Calling me names and complaining about my intolerance, hardheartedness, dogmatism and rigidity as a person does not matter but your stated opinions about Tom, reality and your behavior here does.

Ted

Man oh Man, is it ever heating up here, i just dropped in to post about intergalactic space travel. Had no idea of this happening. All of the sudden LS pops in with a lot of deep concepts, that i find very interesting. Did not know there to be such resentments boiling here. I sincerely hope LS can find a way to fit in here, even if it means to conform a little. If for no other reasons to help others, and to learn from others. We can not change Ted, but we can change as to get along. I think you both offer a lot, i think maybe that poison of resenting needs to be diminished. If i can find ways to fit in here and lose my resentments you can too LS. Sabby