Seth Speaks by Jane Roberts

The Nature of Personal Reality by Jane Roberts

I Am That: Talks with Nisargadatta Maharaj by (or colleted and edited by) Maurice Frydman (I think)

Be As You Are: The Teachings of Sri Ramana Maharshi by David Godman

Journeys Out of the Body by Robert Monroe

MBT Trilogy by Uncle Tom (I haven't read the entire trilogy yet)

Most of these books (besides MBT and JOotB) I read at rapid pace. I understood the ideas very easily.

What books have you felt nudged to read?

"Anastasia" - V Megre
"Valis" - Philip K Dick
"The Teachings of Don Juan: A Yaqui Way of Knowledge" - Carlos Castaneda
"A Separate Reality " - Carlos Castaneda
"The Active Side of Infinity" - Carlos Castaneda
"A new Earth" - Eckhart Tolle
"The Holographic Universe - Michael Talbot

These where a few I felt a nudge and all synchronized for info I asked for at that time.

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“It is often said that before you die your life passes before your eyes. It is in fact true. It's called living.” - Terry Pratchett

Nearly every book that was not a "course requirement" or a "NON fiction" novel was place within my awareness at the opportune time. here are some honorable mentions:

There is a River (the story of Edgar Cayce)
by Thomas Sugrue

Autobiography of a Yogi
by Paramahansa Yogananda

The Tao of Physics
by Fritjoff Capra

Life after Life
by Dr. Raymond Moody

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peace
patrick

I just pulled "Adventures in Consciousness" by Jane Roberts out of my bedside bookcase. Looks like I started reading it at one point. So far I can read it which is good as there aren't too many books I can read like this anymore.
Love
Bette

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All That Is
what is?
Consciousness.

I used to love all the Seth books and still have them in my library. But they aren't fun for me to read anymore after reading MBT. It seems to me that many things don't make sense and it is written in such a convoluted manner.

I'll pretend I didn't see that and keep trying to read it Sainbury. ;)
Love
Bette

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All That Is
what is?
Consciousness.

The two greatest "READ THIS!!!" nudges I ever got were for..

The Alchemist by Paulo Coelho
and MBT by.. I forgot who :P

I only have read one Seth book (Seth Speaks) so far. From what I remember it aligns well for me with MBT. Do not get confused by the different (more 'esoteric' or 'new agey') way of expressing things. I think that the nature of reality as described by Seth is similar to some concepts that Tom describes.

Tom also says that Seth (via J. Roberts) was one of humanities genuine channelled teachers:

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"I regard consciousness as fundamental. I regard matter as derivative from consciousness. We cannot get behind consciousness. Everything that we talk about, everything that we regard as existing, postulates consciousness."
- Max Planck

Yep, there a some golden nuggets in the Seth books. But the books were written before the digital age so all the metaphors are not digital. That is one of the great things that makes it outdated and sometimes hard to understand. That is exactly the beauty of MBT. It is based upon a digital, information system.

There is some plain misinformation in Jane Roberts' fictional books based upon the information channeled by Seth. For one she presents reincarnation as not linear which it is. There are a lot of other inaccuracies as well.

Oversoul 7, that is/was a Seth book and my introduction to all this, my official introduction around 2001-2ish. Just like Led Zeppelin's Houses of the Holy was my first not handed down LP and my official introduction to rock and roll but fractally a different level of information as far as there are levels of information. Sorry my mind is all academic as I'm in that mode. Levels of information is something in the paper I just wrote on consciousness for my biopsychology class saying that consciousness as a nonphysical digital information system, getting that understanding mainstream, is now the Hard Problem of Consciousness while the rule-set of the "wetware" (neurology) is the Easy Problem of Consciousness being researched now as a new paradigm is developing. I couldn't help it, going MBT in academia rather than just quietly getting the PhD.
Love
Bette

References


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NOTE: I could not find a pic of the book cover to get the complete title anywhere I looked online. I don't have a cope here as I gave them all away.
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All That Is
what is?
Consciousness.

It is probably a good thing if we, when we make such statements, defend them with logic, references, personal experience, whatever.... just for the satisfaction of people now and in the future. As the statements are both declarative and judgmental, that is especially so, IMO.

There are two separate assertions there, but it is not obvious what is meant by either, or what they might be based upon.

Montana

In her books her characters reincarnate back and forth in time. So a character reincarnates in the 1700s, then the next life in the 1990s, then the next life in the 1800s. I ask Tom about this specifically in GA. He said that lives are incarnated linearly in the timeline.

I used to LOVE these books. If you really want me to site more examples I can.

Interesting.

Yes, I enjoyed the 'Seth' books for quite a while too, but the left brain had a problem with the content being too fluffy .... ungrounded. Yet in a 'sethian state of consciousness' it seems to come together nicely within that alternative modeling frame.

Both Monroe and Dr. Weiss indicate at least implicitly that you can reincarnate anywhere/time that is appropriate, including the past, so I was surprised to see an assertion that indicated otherwise, but as usual, a lot can get muddled in words.

Personally, I sense at least two separate lines of reincarnation, the more evolved line having occurred previous to a more recent but seemingly less evolved series. The two separate lines each seem linear within themselves, but taken together, no. It's hard to be objective about one's self though.

I had also gathered separately that a piece of time or event is never certainly ended .... each time it is revisitied, even lightly (say, you read about Lincoln and his evening in Ford's theater), then this revisit and what happens with it is added to the sum total of that event.... that is, the event evolves sideways, after a fashion, through time.

I can easily imagine Tom, talking through his left brain, would just think: "... Well <D>T=T+1, so it follows that it all must be linear." ...which it must. But it seems like this linearity may well be spagghetti-like indeed.


At any rate, when we cast aspersions on texts that others may have relied upon, it is probably a civil thing to say why, and even forego the aspersion itself, but just quietly note the contradictions within the material, or where that material contradicts other material that is recognized as helpful.

Just my thoughts,
Montana

Montana,

As Tom models reality, everything exists within the Larger Consciousness System which is like a cellular automaton of reality cells stepping off like sheets of paper or pages in a book where each sheet/page and the vast checkerboard of cells and data printed on it represent a 'state' of reality. The rate of change, jumping forward from sheet to sheet, is the fundamental changing of reality within Consciousness Space. Most of those state changes are devoted to the functioning of AUM related to its own 'thinking' and also related to its functioning as it creates our VR experiences. So out of every vastly long sequence of state changes finally comes one related to our consciousness within the VR of NPMR. Equally far along comes another and another and another in again, a vastly long sequence of state changes related to our experience of NPMR.

Finally we come to the point in the sequence of CS state changes when we finally get one state change that is devoted to our own consciousness of our experiences here within PMR as a human. Then the sequence is repeated from the beginning. Think of these 'pages' as being vanishingly thin and a vast 'stack' of them accumulating out of the past and into the future. Despite the fact that there are vastly more pages related to our NPMR experience, our experience of time there does not differ greatly from our experience of time here in PMR. Despite the fact that there is such a small percentage of pages related to our PMR experience, yet the rate at which time is passing from PMR page to PMR page is vastly faster than PMR science can detect. This is how Tom describes it although not in his words as I don't think that he anywhere uses the analogy of a cellular automaton printed out on pages of paper in a stack. I think it has value for visualizing the model however.

Somewhere on these vast sheets or pages is an area devoted to our PMR and ourselves as we exist as IUOCs and to our NPMR. These things carry from out of the past and into the future. There are also pages that carry on past the page that represents 'now' and on to the future that has not yet occurred but has been predicted but since we have free will, is subject to change. In the vast stack of pages accumulating, what has happened in the past is still available to observation. As Tom says, the past actualized data base. This can be observed but not changed. NOW represents a 'pointer' moving along the stack and designating where the present is. Tom came up with this model as fitting how things operate and are observable. If someone can come up with a better model fitting more things, we will adopt it or adapt to it.

This model says that the present is only a pointer moving along indicating where now is. What is out past that pointer exists but is subject to change. What is behind that pointer is fixed as having happened. Thus Tom does not describe a potential for jumping backwards and forwards in time to experience our incarnations. As the 'The Rubaiyat of Omar Khayyam' would state it, "The Moving Finger writes; and, having writ, Moves on". That does not mean that you cannot revisit the past as Tom describes, either as it happened or as alternatives that did not happen but might have happened. You can experience time out of sequence but only for 'educational' purposes. Not for the purpose of actually experiencing an incarnation.

Think of it in this way. The purpose of these incarnated experiences is the free will interaction by means of which we refine our Quality of Consciousness. If you jump back into the past to experience a life there, there is no free will expressible within that lifetime. Whatever you must experience must take up where ever you were born in time and carry through until you 'die' within that life time. You cannot change what happened before you were born and whatever you do within your life time must match up with the rest of what is going on for everyone. So either the now at which you were born is the now of the whole system and thus you have free will or it is not and you are only following out a script written in the past with no free will and with no purpose or value.

So you see there is a perfectly logical necessity why we cannot just jump back and forth in time with our incarnations. Those who advocate this freedom of incarnation in time rather than linearly are simply not creating a comprehensive model where everything fits in the same way that Tom's model does.

Ted

So you see there is a perfectly logical necessity why we cannot just jump back and forth in time with our incarnations. Those who advocate this freedom of incarnation in time rather than linearly are simply not creating a comprehensive model where everything fits in the same way that Tom's model does.

That makes sense... but it appears that both Monroe and Weiss say what they do because that is how the data arrived to them ... they seem to be each in their own way striving for models that fit the data rather than positing a model and expecting the data to fit it.

At any rate, I just wanted to note the discrepancy, or seeming discrepancy.... it may very well be a case of which part of this elephant
is getting attention from whom.

Montana