Good point Quantum:
"I think that there are many different ways and approaches to lower ones consciousness entropy and remaining physically immortal indefinitely isn`t a lesson which one MUST have to accomplish that. Example - you don`t have to be a good long jumper to be a loving, fearless and wise person. Wiser ones in this forum have to fill in the details, I haven`t got the necessary experience nor the understanding."
Yes, Tom touched on this perspective in Book 1 about how conscious entropy discards old values for continually progressive ones. Of course we see this in 3D actions all the time. But I'm not clear on how one can actually be *consciously mature* by supposedly "out growing" the physical form and yet not have the ability to be physically immortal volitionally?
And the other thing which *cautions me* is the notion that internal values are set above other states, or vice versa. Who's deciding what constitutes conscious entropy?
Surely, (hey don't call me Shirley...), we are beings with complex attributes. We measure value based on many factors - our senses, emotions, mind/intellect, intuition, spirit, and the list goes on... NOTE: Ingo Swann (The Father of Remote Viewing) once presented a paper to the UN about our 17 senses http://www.biomindsuperpowers.com/Pages ... enses.html
Thus we conclude that if we limit "value" to confining parameters, such as only using the five physical senses, then we are surely bias (last time...don't call me Shirley...). Similarly who's to say that we aren't always missing something of ourselves in the evaluation of our experience and environments (stimuli and phenomenon)? As such, it almost seems more reasonable to conclude that when determining conscious entropy ALL is valuable. Excellent points Kevin:
"After all, how can you master something that is always changing, always evolving?
How would someone ever have self mastery unless they have stopped evolving?"
Let me preface by saying I skimmed the borders of one of my big "no-no's". That is to say, often in discussions when unclear on a functional or practical application people will generalize using "infinite or absolute" terminology to either sustain or give credence to their point. Such as when I used the expression "master utterly".
Anyway, my "master utterly" point was actually meant to be practical and not sophist absolutism. For instance, a normal intact and healthy person can replicate the ability to open and close their hands at will. This denotes control (mastery), albeit transient. So as long as we live and don't have some factor interrupting this ability (such as disease, accident or death) we have this control/mastery.
Similarly, it seems reasonable to conclude that there could be removal of certain constraints whereby allowing one to remain in body indefinitely while in 3D. In this case, such an individual would not cease to evolve but only be performing a volitional function not dissimilar to opening and closing a hand. It's just that it seems like an incredible ability compared to the hand analogy.Hi bette
"Before MBT I was perplexed by the concept that once a time frame had past, such as Neanderthal days, then the possibility to experience being one was gone. Now I can understand that my concept does make sense because, well, it just does. If that is the gig my higher self requires, it's on because it is simply a virtual reality."
It is my understanding that there are both Sequential
frames of existence.Sequential
= Linear time, A + B = C. (This creates the premise that such a thing as "progress" exists.) Simultaneous
= All things are happening right NOW. (This literally includes "ALL", such as dimensions, densities, etc...)
This beckons two general considerations for how we define Consciousness.
1. Consciousness can never reach ALL-NESS since it is by design Infinite. In which case, no one, no thing, etc, is more right, progressive, etc, than any other. (a.k.a. Sequential
- but whereby limited perspective is the cause of ideas like "progress")
2. IT already KNOWS ALL and there is nowhere left for IT to go. Which means IT's fragmented attributes (ALL beings, things, etc) are playing out their predetermined parts. (a.k.a. Simultaneous
Ok, I have more I can comment on and add but I'm signing off for now... Happy Mother's Day weekend everyone!