Tom,

The path of surrender and service is fine but I lean toward knowing, understanding.

"...gain your knowledge through your experience, experimentation and spiritual growth. There is no easier way. You have to do it, no one can do it for you."

"...It is the dropping of ego and material attachment that produces the high signal to noise ratio required for being sentient in NPMR. Spiritual Knowledge and Paranormal ability on the path of knowledge often are intertwined...."

that is where my intent is......
However, how much dropping of ego and attachment to material do we need to get rid of? We still have to eat and make a living? save for retirement, make good investment decisions, buy a nice suit or a pair of sneakers that fit properly now and then, can you just allow others to run over you while you turn the other cheek on every single issue? not letting your Ego and self importance play a part? You said you are not a pacifist. SO if someone does you wrong, insults you or takes advantage of you, what do you do?

We dont have to be in living in the Himalayas mediating on a mountain so Where is the line, what is the level of ego and attachment acceptable to achieve a high signal?


TOM:forget the bandits, they are in the noise. It is not like evil gets a free ride-- they study hard and put in long hours too. It's just that in the big picture they, because of their efforts, are going backwards. It is because they necessarily do have ego and fear that they are so limited.

Evil, no matter how hard they try are still in the noise. So How can they gain Psi abilities?
They meditate with selfish intent, They want psi ability for self gain, ego, look at me, whatever. How in the world do they get there?

If I walk out of line I seemed to get whacked by my guides in some fashion. Usually Big Letters "wrong way, buddy"
These 'evil doers' they have guides? their goal is evolution as well, how do they get these abilities with all the noise they are carrying? How can they possibly get to NPMR and become operative and use Psi abilities in PMR?


Tom: "....Psi experiences often serve as a catalyst to pry open a mind far enough to glimpse a larger reality or light a fire and can be immensely valuable for an individual ready to take the next step."
"..PMR actions alone...... will not open NPMR to you unless you experience spiritual growth and decrease the entropy of your consciousness.

OM: This doesn't not seem consistent with something a person with negative intent should be able to achieve based on your model. So how do they get there whereas we have to walk the str8 line or get whacked if we even have a taste of ego involved.

Substantial progress requires substantial commitment. Being Sentient in NPMR, being able to read minds, use telepathy, bend spoons, switch reality frames etc requires a commitment to the side of ' good ' otherwise the noise present in the other direction will or should prevent the abilities from coming to fruition in the first place.

I am still working on myself, being present, meditating and it takes time, though I have had effects, experiences, premonitions among other things recently and during my life, I am just gonna take it as it comes - any other approach creates frustration.

I am here, now with the best of intent to learn, know and understand and to evolve.


"... occurs spontaneously after self imposed constraints are removed."

How are they actually removed and what would need to be removed - can you give an example
is it just a matter of becoming more aware, and that feeding on itself and time will show the movement?
IE: here is a crazy example.
Deciding, hey I am no longer going to go to strip clubs, noise reduction, then deciding soon after I am no longer going to drink, then time passes, hey I am going to start eating healthy since I am overweight, then more time passes, less noise in ur life. You start becoming nicer to people, helping people, hey I am interested in these types of books now, hmm I think i will take a mediation class, more time passes, you have some experiences, delve deeper, learn more and before you know it you are Tom Campbell (figuratively speaking).

is it just an evolution of your being? (like a snowball moving downhill) as you become more aware you have the capacity to be able to make more conscious decisions(decision space) and if your will is strong enough or your intent is powerful enough, you can catch yourself-be present and just don't allow the ego, desires, fear, behavior and the like to be the decision makers?

OM

How can you insult someone that has awareness and low ego? People can only do what you allow them to do, awareness allows one to avoid people that would do us wrong by hopefully keeping us out of that type reality. One person did a very mean thing to me one time 12 years ago that resulted in my getting off of methamphetamine by judicial intervention. It's all relative, and life is not fair (that bad guys can be so good at it, being bad), just be aware of your choices. ;)
Love
Bette

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Bette : awareness allows us to avoid people who would do us wrong.

True how can you insult someone with little to no ego. However, thinking that ur awareness will prevent those from doing you harm is kind of like living with the smurfs.

If you come home and find someone smashed ur car window how r u going to feel?
Ok, you r not even phased....

lets say 3 weeks later somone does it again and takes ur tires too?
Now what mary poppins?

On the flipside being aware and of different thought those incidents don't attract to you. You have an indirect point that I can agree with
: )

Om

OM,

You have the general idea and are actually answering your own questions in your first post. Remember that it has been explained that just going through the process of a PMR experience without any 'higher' knowledge of reality is the standard working plan for entropy reduction. The SOP of the PMR VR. It is normally a gradual training process and will and has extended over MANY experience packets. You don't have any feel for just how many 'round trips' you have already made. You are far from 'cherry' this trip. You do just gradually learn to do a better job in living your life and interacting with others. And every circuit starts with a required development from infancy.

Learning about the 'bigger picture' intellectually does not help. Even buzzing around enjoying OOBE does not help. Entering the greater reality seriously, at a being level, and learning who you and everyone else really are, that you are in fact all the same, fellow IUOC on the way up the long and winding trail of developing your quality of being does help. It does not permit you to avoid all evil and mischance. It helps some because you are in fact likely to avoid risky behavior and avoid hanging out with a 'bad crowd' seeking ego thrills. But it will not keep someone from smashing your car window or coming back next week and stealing your tires. Stuff still happens. You just learn that you don't sweat the small stuff and that it is all 'small stuff'. There is still irritation. But you do loose the compulsion to stand there beating your breast and crying 'why me oh Lord' or seeking 'righteous revenge'. And you do put yourself at risk in helping others in ways that you might have actually avoided before in relative ignorance.

Do you think that Tom, with the effort that he has put into exploration, analysis and writing My Big TOE plus the time put into this BB group and all of the individual counseling that he has done plus the capabilities that are indicated by what he has achieved by doing all this on top of a normal career could have not made himself relatively wealthy by now and living a life of leisure instead of going on the lecture circuit to help others. Think of the risk involved in putting your 'scientific career' on the line by making your understanding of a new (but really very old) paradigm public. Not being a pacifist says that you will not permit someone to damage yourself or someone that is your responsibility without trying to prevent it. But even in doing so, you do so with knowledge and without anger and ego, feeling how do you dare try to do this to me? You know what is really going on amidst the Illusion.

Does this put it together for you at all?

Ted

Hi OM
I prefer Polly, but Mary will do. ;) I've been through this conversation before, interesting. I felt very violated when a bad guy broke my car window and stole my new stereo back when I was 18. Just a couple months ago someone went through my car in my driveway, probably looking for change, again I felt violated and weirdly sad that I didn't have much if any change in the car, if they needed it that bad. Someone tagged the brick wall around my home, oh yeah, they tagged my actual house a couple years ago too. Probably why my thesis is about gangs now. Cacao occurs, we do have some control though, such as not locking the car door so windows stay full of glass, or not leaving valuables showing. I'm glad something I said had some use for you, indirectly.
Love
Bette

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All That Is
what is?
Consciousness.