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PostPosted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 12:50 pm 
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I just discovered on the internet a practice known as Falun Gong. The spiritual movement of which it is a part is called Falun Dafa. I already see similarities between Falun Gong and what Tom says. It is brand new to me, and I am just now reading into it, but so far it is fascinating! Li Hongzhi is the founder of this exercise. He talks about Gong being non-physical energy. It can be measured above the head, the height of which signifies how spiritually evolved or powerful you are. This reminded me of the My Big TOE trilogy. In it Campbell Man says he could see people's auras. He looked at a photograph and was able to pick the one who was the psi researcher. I am going off of memory, but I believe he said the way he could tell was by the energy ABOVE THE HEAD, same as what Master Hongzhi describes. Also while I was at the Hawaii lecture with Tom, and he was giving healing exercises, he kept talking about the importance of people not directly handling the illness. He said to use mental gloves of some sort and to throw the illness into the sun. (Or pick a similar metaphor for not handling it). This is also what Falun Gong says. --
"Karma is a type of black matter that surrounds the human body. It has physical existence in another
dimension and can transform into sickness or misfortune.
Supernatural abilities exist in everyone, and the idea is that they need to be developed
and strengthened through continual cultivation. You want to be a practitioner, but if you
only pursue abilities, you are shortsighted and your mind isn’t pure. No matter what it is
you want abilities for, your pursuit of them has selfish things mixed in that will definitely
hinder your cultivation. The consequence is that you will never get abilities.
Some practitioners haven’t practiced for very long, yet they want to give people
treatments to see how their skills are.(Like Tom telling us beginners to try and heal people to see if we have an effect). When those of you without high gong potency
extend your hand and try, you absorb into your own body a great deal of black,
unhealthy, filthy qi that exists in the patient’s body."( which is why, per Tom, we shouldn't handle it directly)

These are only the first two things to jump out at me as far as parallels with MBT go. I am sure there are more to come.

I plan on practicing this as soon as I learn it. They have free teachers worldwide. I have very briefly toyed with general Qi Gong, but am either too lazy or busy to follow my dvd instructions of it. I had never heard of Qi Gong until I heard Iggy Pop reference it. He says he does 30 to 40 minutes a day. In an interview for a magazine he also mentions Falun Gong, which was the first time I had ever heard of it. Everyone always asks him how he stays in such great shape, and he said daily Qi Gong is his secret.
And well, since I want to look like Iggy when I am 65 ....

Here is what I am reading right now: http://www.falundafa.org/book/eng/pdf/flg_2006.pdf


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 2:23 pm 
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Do not get carried away with seeming similarities with MBT. Many concepts include auras as part of the belief system. Falun Dafa is a popular cultural movement. It has links to other Chinese movements of the past as in the mass practice of physical exercises.

This is not what Tom teaches in MBT. Auras are a very peripheral item and the concept of an aura is different from that in Falun Dafa that I have seen references to. More on that if necessary. In WikiPedia, it states of Falun Dafa that:
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It combines the practice of meditation and slow-moving qigong exercises with a moral philosophy.
While there is probably more to it than just that, these practices in meditation or moral philosophy are peripheral entirely with MBT. And there is no such thing as MBT exercises that we go out and practice together in the local park. It might be good for some of us to get that exercise, but it has no part in Tom's teachings.

MBT is primarily and first a theory and model of the nature of reality based fundamentally upon science and aspects of mathematics. It's primary purpose is the teaching of the nature and purpose of our reality and the development of a new paradigm of science and thus of society with Consciousness as fundamental, not a moral code or exercise practice. While a moral code can be derived and Tom recommends meditation and does describe auras, these are secondary and not primary aspects. Referring to the similarities you note to Falun Dafa is like saying a cow and a porcupine are similar because they both have 4 legs, two eyes and a nose.

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 5:49 pm 
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What is MBT? What does Tom teach? Yes. MBT is a model of reality. Well, what is reality? Oh Shiva, what is your reality? According to Tom, reality is consciousness AND the fundamental process of evolution, you forgot that one. All is consciousness, and it must evolve through spiritual growth. Spiritual growth is not a secondary superfluous side note to MBT, but math sure is. Math is PMR only. PMR is only a slice of reality. Meditation can help facilitate spiritual growth. Falun Gong is not about the physical movements, but about the opening up of awareness, which Tom says is one of our two central purposes. (the other being love). MBT is about spiritual growth. Falun Gong is about spiritual growth. That is an equation.

I don't like intellectual arguments and trying to win in a shallow ego debate.

BRRR!!! Wet blankets can be so cold! but they can also be very effective at killing my enthusiasm for sharing anything I find inspiring

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 6:21 pm 
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yeahboy,

Perhaps you should look at the Model on the MBT Wiki: http://wiki.my-big-toe.com/index.php/Th ... _Link_Page This would possibly provide you with the understanding that the 'Math' referred to is so called pure mathematics, unrelated to any specific thing, of PMR or elsewhere. It is rather about how systems organize. I did not forget consciousness or the fundamental process which are clearly explained in that model. To gain benefit from this however, you would have to read and understand it all.

If you made posts that were more in depth and not superficial, more generally accurate, perhaps you would be happier with responses.

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 15, 2012 11:07 am 
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Greetings Melez

I found your post from a google alert I have set up to the search term "Falun Dafa". I read your post and can feel your excitement towards the discovery of finding Falun Dafa. I related to you immediately because I felt the same. I've been studying now for almost two years and the experience has been divine. I wanted to take this time to encourage you to experience it for yourself......I truly believe you will not regret it. If you have any questions feel free to connect with me on my fb fan page "Choose Humanity". I wish you great success on your cultivation journey! Falun Dafa is Good!

Michael Lewis


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Hi all,

New member here. : )

I've come across a fascinating book that talks about high level spiritual things from a scientific perspective. This book is intriguing as it talks about many similar things to what people in mystical states mention such as seeing into parallel dimensions and interacting with beings from other worlds etc.

This book is called Zhuan Falun and it is from the Buddha Law School of Cultivation however it is not Buddhism the religion or Daoism the religion, it's something more profound. It seems to me to be more of a spiritual science as many of the terms and concepts in the book are talked about in a scientific down to earth manner instead of flowery mystical prose which I found very refreshing.

Now here is where it gets interesting, this book talks about the following things:


Other Dimensions - Levels Of Dimensions spanning into the microcosm and also outwards into the macrocosm

The Soul - It talks about people having a Master soul and a subordinate soul which is hidden from you but is at a more advanced level then you, it states some people have more then one Subordinate soul and some are of not of the same sex as you i.e males having a female subordinate soul etc.

Microcosmic worlds - This concept was very far out but it talks about there being worlds within you, countless worlds. Similar to our world with life , water, animals etc. An analogy is zooming an an atom within one of your cells and realizing at that level of magnification it is just like our solar system. Then zooming into a single particle in that world and finding out it too is a vast world, apparently the level it can go onwards like this is beyond imagination.

Supernatural Abilities - In the book they mention that everyone has them it is just that they have atrophied. It goes into depth about this topic. Some abilities that are mentioned are precognition, retrocognition and remote vision.

The 3rd Eye - Talks about how at the front part of our pineal gland there is a complete structure of an eye there. Modern science calls it a vestigial eye but in the cultivation world they say this eye just naturally exists like that and it can be activated allowing one to pierce through this dimension and see other dimensions. It talks about how there are many levels to this 3rd eye and it goes into great depth about it.

Thoughts - This part was amazing. It talks about how a human brain is just a processing plant. How the real you is actually your soul, it's like your whole body and brain is just a vehicle and that the true commands are issued by your master soul, but this master soul is very tiny and it can switch positions while inside you and it can also expand and shrink. It can move from your brain to your heart and to other parts of your body and it is 'he' who calls the shots. Your brain is just the factory which your master soul sends his cosmic commands to which then create the forms of expression and communication we use such as speech, gestures, etc.



These are just a few things that are covered but there are many many other things which blew my mind when I read it because of how it resonated with some of the mystical experiences people sometimes have, especially the multidimensional nature of reality and how all of them are hidden in our day to day perceptions of the world.

If this sounds interesting to anyone you can grab a copy of the book here:


http://en.falundafa.org/eng/pdf/ZFL2014.pdf


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Hi Ted,

Apologies, I wasn't aware that Falun Dafa was posted already on the forum. After doing a quick search I've noticed there wasn't any mention of Zhuan Falun however, which is the core book of Falun Dafa.

Just to let you know, the book in question is totally free to download, the link provided is the PDF version of the full book.

I think the book is quite fascinating and truly talks about many very profound spiritual and metaphysical topics at a very in depth level and yet in very clear and concise terms. Many of the high level concepts like the intricacies of the 3rd eye and the 'Cultivated Infant' are really things I had never read before in any metaphysical and spiritual book.

Well, if you decide to check it out I hope you find it interesting and perhaps in the future it can be places in the Philosophy/Metaphysics section of the forum where more people will get a chance to see it.

Kind Regards,

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I came across Falun Dafa roughly 3 years ago, on a solo journey into the unknown.

I was actually driving from South Jordan, Utah up to a small potential city that was supposedly going to be built named 'Lime.'

It was an exploration on behalf of some people in my family who thought it might be a good place to homestead.

I didn't have a lot of funds, stopped in Boise, Idaho and actually slept outside in a park that night.

The next morning, before even eating, I walked around the park and discovered a beautiful community garden full of roses and other fine flowers.

Then, I saw the Asian's putting up the Falan Dafa poster and approached them all... shortly after, we all waited for Michael to arrive, so he could teach the basic moves to us all. I ended up staying with him and his wife for a few days, practicing the moves with him in his house.

I continued to practice on my own, as well as read and apply some of the principles that I had only heard about, directly, from this book, in this lifetime. One of the teachings can be likened, in a way, to 'turning one's cheek.' When someone insults you, condemns you, etc. instead of throwing back that negativity towards them, you face it and let it dissipate. I have had that happen a lot to me over the course of the last few years and I assume I am not done yet, although, I haven't been practicing the physical exercises as much, anymore.

Another main principle in the book is that when one decides to 'go all the way' into Buddha consciousness, in order to actually get there, one must practice one path. The tendency is to mix paths, mix commands from different teachers but Teacher Li specifically says to choose this as the path or not, don't mix paths.

Very interesting practice, indeed, although, since I had read Tom's book before this, I had and have some doubts about the truth as it is layed out through a certain possible belief system.

I did have several insights into reality from the practice, however.

and to this day, as I go about the day, a lot of what Teacher Li speaks about in his book, I see happen in my life.

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I came across Falun Dafa roughly 3 years ago, on a solo journey into the unknown.

I was actually driving from South Jordan, Utah up to a small potential city that was supposedly going to be built named 'Lime.'

It was an exploration on behalf of some people in my family who thought it might be a good place to homestead.

I didn't have a lot of funds, stopped in Boise, Idaho and actually slept outside in a park that night.

The next morning, before even eating, I walked around the park and discovered a beautiful community garden full of roses and other fine flowers.

Then, I saw the Asian's putting up the Falan Dafa poster and approached them all... shortly after, we all waited for Michael to arrive, so he could teach the basic moves to us all. I ended up staying with him and his wife for a few days, practicing the moves with him in his house.

I continued to practice on my own, as well as read and apply some of the principles that I had only heard about, directly, from this book, in this lifetime. One of the teachings can be likened, in a way, to 'turning one's cheek.' When someone insults you, condemns you, etc. instead of throwing back that negativity towards them, you face it and let it dissipate. I have had that happen a lot to me over the course of the last few years and I assume I am not done yet, although, I haven't been practicing the physical exercises as much, anymore.

Another main principle in the book is that when one decides to 'go all the way' into Buddha consciousness, in order to actually get there, one must practice one path. The tendency is to mix paths, mix commands from different teachers but Teacher Li specifically says to choose this as the path or not, don't mix paths.

Very interesting practice, indeed, although, since I had read Tom's book before this, I had and have some doubts about the truth as it is layed out through a certain possible belief system.

I did have several insights into reality from the practice, however.

and to this day, as I go about the day, a lot of what Teacher Li speaks about in his book, I see happen in my life.

Peace

Yes it's hard to let go of grievances with others when people mistreat you but forbearance is a one of the core principles of Falun Dafa which I still try to embody with varying degrees of success. : )

I still practice it daily and have found my energy, inner peace and happiness blossom. I used to have depression and anxiety earlier in my life and Falun Dafa blew that dark cloud away forever. Actually a whole book has been written about Falun Dafa's healing and rejuvenating properties, both mental and physical:

http://en.minghui.org/html/articles/2005/4/3/59184.html

Also, a new version of the book has been released of Zhuan Falun (the core book of Falun Dafa) with an even more accurate translation from the original Chinese:

http://falundafa.org/eng/eng/pdf/Zhuan-Falun-2018.pdf


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I still practice it daily and have found my energy, inner peace and happiness blossom.
I found Falun Dafa during my search for an explanation as to why I was having OBEs. Falun Dafa introduced me to the concept of "reverse cultivation". Apparently some "senior" (older than 50) individuals, with limited time to cultivate their growth from the "bottom up", are granted cultivation by the LCS from the "top down" so to speak.


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I still practice it daily and have found my energy, inner peace and happiness blossom.
I found Falun Dafa during my search for an explanation as to why I was having OBEs. Falun Dafa introduced me to the concept of "reverse cultivation". Apparently some "senior" (older than 50) individuals, with limited time to cultivate their growth from the "bottom up", are granted cultivation by the LCS from the "top down" so to speak.
Yes the reverse cultivation phenomenon was a very interesting part of the book and similarly Gong borrowing which also happens when one's subordinate soul borrows energy for the purposes of Cultivation.


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Yes the reverse cultivation phenomenon was a very interesting part of the book and similarly Gong borrowing which also happens when one's subordinate soul borrows energy for the purposes of Cultivation.
I agree, energy transfer was but another piece of subjective evidence in support of the fundamental that consciousness is energy. This theory appears in numerous independent models. I would participate in group practice of the "exercises", as I have reached out to local practitioners, but for the prohibition on mixing other paths to cultivation. The LCS continues to "drop bread crumbs" of knowledge along my path and there is much to learn.

I was fascinated by one lecture wherein the master revealed the existence of a 2 million year old nuclear reactor in Africa. He offered the reactor as evidence of humans existence on earth. I googled it and to my surprise there was an independent reference.


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Yes the reverse cultivation phenomenon was a very interesting part of the book and similarly Gong borrowing which also happens when one's subordinate soul borrows energy for the purposes of Cultivation.
I agree, energy transfer was but another piece of subjective evidence in support of the fundamental that consciousness is energy. This theory appears in numerous independent models. I would participate in group practice of the "exercises", as I have reached out to local practitioners, but for the prohibition on mixing other paths to cultivation. The LCS continues to "drop bread crumbs" of knowledge along my path and there is much to learn.

I was fascinated by one lecture wherein the master revealed the existence of a 2 million year old nuclear reactor in Africa. He offered the reactor as evidence of humans existence on earth. I googled it and to my surprise there was an independent reference.

Yes, I found the section where they discussed mind and matter very interesting, from the perspective of Falun Dafa, mind and matter are one and the same and this becomes more apparent as one raises himself through inner Cultivation. The prohibition on mixing different practices is indeed something that Falun Dafa practitioners take seriously, they believe that mixing different system will interfere with the mechanisms installed into the body from that particular school of Cultivation.

Ah yes, the section in Zhuan Falun on the history of inner Cultivation was a real eye opener for me. I used to think it's history was about equal to that of China's, around 5000 years or so. I was very surprised that such systems stretch far back into prehistoric times, over hundreds of thousands of years and to even greater ages.


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Please remember guys that the style of learning is only good as the metaphore will take you. To make real progress, you have to put in real work. Just like learning art only here it is the art of consciouness. If the intuitive side suits u better, then that is good, i personaly felt that mbt was written for my type of mind, but i do believe som poetry could suit the less techi side.

To comment on what this spiritual group has to say. U are only limited by your imagination. Reality being a computer simulation, it is natural that attributed of the computed world such as nested loops or macro micro worlds become available for you to access...


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Reality being a computer simulation, it is natural that attributed of the computed world such as nested loops or macro micro worlds become available for you to access...
Consciousness is reality. A computer simulation is a metaphor for its process.


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