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 Post subject: MAGIC
PostPosted: Mon Sep 12, 2011 2:52 pm 
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Hi guys, JIMIBRICKS the name, been reading the forums lately and i find the topics very intresting. Although i realized nobody wrote a post on magic, the question is how can we relate MAGIC with TOMS MBT. Thanks.


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 12, 2011 3:04 pm 
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Welcome to the forums.

By Magic do you mean the real sort of illusions we can go and see as entertainment or the sort of fantasy-type of magic we read about it in books?

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 12, 2011 3:32 pm 
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When i said MAGIC, i meant what OCCULTIST or SHAMANS practice.


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Hi and welcome, jimibricks.

Having not read the trilogy, places you with a severe handicap, on this board.

Regardless, here's a quote from the trilogy I keep handy for this topic.
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Paranormal events are natural artifacts of the nature of consciousness and represent the normal activity of the nonphysical energy that is consciousness. For this reason, they sometimes violate PMR causality rules and are vehemently denied by those ensnared within the familiar and comforting grip of widely accepted scientific or cultural beliefs that are based on the exclusivity of our local physical reality.
Essentially there is no MAGIC, there is simply ignorance of the Larger Consciousness System. Ignorance is correctable, though:the trilogy can be read for free online at Google Books.


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 Post subject: Re: MAGIC
PostPosted: Mon Sep 12, 2011 4:41 pm 
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Well said R B M, i agree, I have the MBT TRILOGY in my hard disk i just havent finished it yet, knowing about the larger consciousness system has always been a thirst for me since my child hood days and i am glad i stumbled upon TOM on youtube, he's lectures are really profound. But i would luv to be educated well on some critical areas. I am from NIGERIA in AFRICA and i would like to know why witch doctors violate the PMR rule sets using NPMR knowledge to hurt people, like giving someone a disease or making someone impoverished, tormenting dreams and the list goes on. Coz i thot the larger consciousness system could not be used for negative intentions. someone a disease or making someone impoverished, tormenting dreams and the list goes on. Coz i thot the larger consciousness system could not be used for negative intentions.


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Tom has mentioned similar cases of your 'witch doctors' causing harm in PMR. You might try this site's search function with search term 'voodoo'. I don't remember distinctly where he talks about it.

As I understand it, the LCS can be 'abused', at least in the short term such as a single FWAU life packet.


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 Post subject: Re: MAGIC
PostPosted: Mon Sep 12, 2011 5:17 pm 
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Hi Jimibricks,

RBM's quote about paranormal events answers your question, though you may be unfamiliar with the concepts used.

Magic as people normally thinks about it does not exists, as there is no supernatural or unknown force existing independently from consciousness. Any manipulation of reality happens by consciousness and within consciousness, and as such it's a natural phenomena.
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how can we relate MAGIC with TOMS MBT
Magic is based upon the smaller perspective of something unknown and supernatural occurring, and often includes the "user" or believer proclaiming that their ritual is sacred and somehow fundamental, while in reality it's just a personal tool of metaphor to that individual or collective of believers.

In MBT, there is an actual explanation of events that seem to contradict the physical rule-set. The belief to some metaphoric system is shown to be a valid but yet potentially limiting way of seeing things and expressing intent. Knowing that rituals and such instead should be treated as personal tools to be used effectively, allows one to find something that fits to oneself and not some belief system.

So it's a vast difference of perspective. Mainly how everything is apart of the "Larger Consciousness System" versus the "It's unknown and supernatural".

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I understand why you ask now.

They do it because they can, because they are evil and misuse their intent with suffering and fear for the innocent as consequence. We all have free will, people can do as much evil as good. The LCS is not used for negative intentions, they are using their own negative intent.

Fortunately, a low entropy being can use whatever (but always appropriate) power that is required to defend the innocent. Hope it answers some of your questions.


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 Post subject: Re: MAGIC
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Well said R B M and SPECIALIST_SAPIENTIA. I fully understand.


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 Post subject: Re: MAGIC
PostPosted: Mon Sep 12, 2011 7:24 pm 
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viewtopic.php?f=11&t=3098&p=9058&hilit=Voodoo#p9058

I think it was at the retreat he referred to becoming involved with helping individuals who where victimized in this way

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Thanks for the thread Kroeran. The big question is will entropy be lowered in this part of the world someday, will it. it hurts so bad to see ones own environment like this where EGO IS KING. Is the larger consciousness system aware of the trend in this part of the world. And by the way i wander what my experience packet is doing here anywayz, coz i dont seem to fit in, my views on life seems to be too western or wierd to my family and the peeps around me. Not to say the list RELIGION. Over here not going to church or belonging to some social gathering is a CARDINAL OFFENSE, the IUOC'S here feel you must follow the crowd and the trendof the times. I hope choosing to incarnate here must have a good reason though.s a CARDINAL OFFENSE, the IUOC'S here feel you must follow the crowd and the trendof the times. I hope choosing to incarnate here must have a good reason though.


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 Post subject: Re: MAGIC
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jimi,

Shamanism has gone on forever and is not at all prone to evil. They were the healers but there was frequently a degree of deception. A shaman with less developed ability still expected to perform. They were the general interface between the physical and the non physical or spirit world. Nothing that you probably don't already know. You might read the books by Carlos Castaneda. He is looked down on by some and 'debunked' but although he messed up later on personally, much of what he said about Don Juan and the Nagual lineage hangs together as fitting shamanism and actually matching what Tom discovered and what Robert Monroe wrote about as well. I have posted about it here on the board.

Tom discusses negative entities who deal in control. They have less potential than the positive side has. NPMR does not have a government and such that looks after and guides PMR society in the sense of control. It is more of a benign dictatorship in its management. Managers are not elected but appointed. They do not control or govern but step in if certain bounds are overstepped. They can go so far as to scramble and reboot someone, an IUOC, and restart them on the developmental process, if they deem it necessary. A lot of effort is made at retraining before that step is taken. But negativity is not regulated as such. Everyone gets to pretty much go their own developmental path with advice available. This is an open ended path of free will with the expectation, and history, of a richer developmental potential if things are not directed but free will given free reign. With as I say management stepping in if bounds are over stepped. That does not mean that an NPMR administrator will step in and 'off' a bad guy here in PMR. This VR works on the basis of free will interaction with that interaction gradually raising Quality of Consciousness and lowering entropy.

Study around some more and then ask further questions.

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 Post subject: Re: MAGIC
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Thanks for the thread Kroeran. The big question is will entropy be lowered in this part of the world someday, will it. it hurts so bad to see ones own environment like this where EGO IS KING. Is the larger consciousness system aware of the trend in this part of the world. And by the way i wander what my experience packet is doing here anywayz, coz i dont seem to fit in, my views on life seems to be too western or wierd to my family and the peeps around me. Not to say the list RELIGION. Over here not going to church or belonging to some social gathering is a CARDINAL OFFENSE, the IUOC'S here feel you must follow the crowd and the trendof the times. I hope choosing to incarnate here must have a good reason though.s a CARDINAL OFFENSE, the IUOC'S here feel you must follow the crowd and the trendof the times. I hope choosing to incarnate here must have a good reason though.
Please excuse my western-centric bias...have not been to Africa, let alone Nigeria, so I am operating from second and third hand data

The more stressfull the incarnation, the greater the learning. I assume each one of us has to do several "tours" of Africa. Though, if you are upper middle class, I assume your life would actually not be much different than a typical western life...possibly easier. Count your blessings....is your sensor platform intact? Are your telomeres long (=you are young)? Do you have the playing field advantage of being male (female is a more challenging simulation, especially there).

I would try to blend in best you can and not frighten your love circle (family/friends/collegues), at least too much. Visit the various churches, mosques, synagogues, temples, monestaries etc in your village/town/city (if this is a safe thing to do in your location)...I like to believe it is customary for AUM to situate an authentic guide in each location to service individuals such as yourself. A guide may have been placed in your location for the express purpose of helping you, or its the sort of thing I like to think could happen. There is of course us here and Tom and others apparently in NPMR.

I think ego is king pretty much everywhere. Its a constant cycle of processing IUOCs to greater quality, then moving on, with high entropy fresh meat entering stage left.

Where you can rather stand out is with reaching for your best intent/response in decisions of significance (like, the tone of voice you take with store clerks or your mother), being as kind, thoughtful as possible, while still protecting your sensor platform and being practical (ie. paying off your credit card each month). In all other respects, the implicit guidance is to be normal....or not, if you are willing to pay the price.

Develop your mind through casual reading and formal education, and engage the PMR economic and political system, and become increasingly fearless, subject to an ongoing mental cost benefit analysis of your decisions. Look to Obama as an example, rather than the outsider path of Obama's Dad.

What I would hope for you is to embrace your situation as you wisely sense, and accept that your environment is optimized for what you need to learn. Irritation, annoyance, challenge...is the system doing its magic on you, creating quality of consciousness from nothing. I understand though....for myself, I remain angry with my IUOC for initiating this FWAU in a location that has snow 6 months of the year!

It is also possible that you have been placed there to support a specific initiative related to a management goal.

you are really interesting data. Please share as much as you can about your life.

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As I understand it, the LCS can be 'abused', at least in the short term such as a single FWAU life packet.
- RBM

that reminded me of when i played WoW there where people that would make accounts to do things like spam the chat system to sell gold for real money and people that would make characters to hack games of capture the flag (and such), basically to ruin the experience of playing without concern for the rule set every other honest player abides by.





i finished reading the MBT trilogy about 8 months ago, but i've been reading the forums when i have questions. I'm not intentionally posting here first cause it's the magic topic but i have been thinking about this concept without discussing it with anyone but myself and most likely guides, but i have played and finished a good amount of videogames, other than WoW which i played for like a year, but i almost entirely stopped playing videogames. I think some videogames had some great storylines which probably helped the way to me realizing there is a larger consciousness

Something i heard Tom say in his most recent lecture (which has kind of gotten me to think about my username a bit more than when i first made it) is that Psi phenomena and spiritual growth/low entropy do not have to be synonymous with each other.


If you where to study the "real world's" [this reality, i put it in quotes as a dig towards the belief that this is the only one] magic principles you will see a lot of concept overlap with many of the fundamental principles of most religions and much of Tom's theory. The 7 Hermetic Principles would be a good place to start.

The occult and ancient mystery schools are a difficult subject to start into in this day and age because so much misinformation and fear is created on the subject and uploaded to places like youtube, which is as much or even more a very helpful tool on the subject

Lastly, someone i think interesting to look into relating to this subject is Franz Bardon. I've read his novel and some of his practical books and i would recommend them because he seems to be coming from a place without fear. I read that a scholar suspected that he was the soul incarnate of Lao Tzu and Hermes Trismegistus, who is the founder of Hermeticism


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The more stressfull the incarnation, the greater the learning. I assume each one of us has to do several "tours" of Africa. Though, if you are upper middle class, I assume your life would actually not be much different than a typical western life...possibly easier. Count your blessings....is your sensor platform intact? Are your telomeres long (=you are young)? Do you have the playing field advantage of being male (female is a more challenging simulation, especially there).

It is also possible that you have been placed there to support a specific initiative related to a management goal.

where can i learn more on this? I've tried searching the topics but i haven't found much using the keywords i've been using. It would much appreciated


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The more stressfull the incarnation, the greater the learning. I assume each one of us has to do several "tours" of Africa. Though, if you are upper middle class, I assume your life would actually not be much different than a typical western life...possibly easier. Count your blessings....is your sensor platform intact? Are your telomeres long (=you are young)? Do you have the playing field advantage of being male (female is a more challenging simulation, especially there).

It is also possible that you have been placed there to support a specific initiative related to a management goal.

where can i learn more on this? I've tried searching the topics but i haven't found much using the keywords i've been using. It would much appreciated
Hi psynce and welcome to Tom's MBT discussion forums. You want to know more about what exactly, life plans as in between incarnations or having especially rough life's, or? When I see or read your chosen name here it sounds like "since", is that what you planned? Welcome again.
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