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 Post subject: Interpreting Dreams
PostPosted: Fri Jun 22, 2018 12:40 pm 
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I regularly have extremely vivid, off-the-wall semi-lucid dreams that surely must contain valuable lessons & insights for me but alas, most times (if not always) I lack the ability to interpret them correctly in any meaningful way. I'm aware that various schools of psychology and neurobiology have offered theories about the meaning and purpose of dreams and that most people prefer to interpret dream content according to the Freudian theory of dreams but I am not personally a big fan of Freud's theories.

So in the spirit of trying to learn more on the topic I did some online research and came across this website (http://www.dreammoods.com/dreamdictionary/) which is not only pretty comprehensive but additionally seems somehow instinctually correct to me.

I'd greatly appreciate any input on the subject of dream interpretation, especially from Specialis or even Tom himself. Any comments on the specific website I linked to above are also welcome.

PS: Is there perhaps an official MBT resource for dream interpretation somewhere that I've missed?

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 Post subject: Re: Interpreting Dreams
PostPosted: Fri Jun 22, 2018 2:13 pm 
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Something that may help you is an interview on YouTube that Tom did with Laurie Houston about two years ago that dealt specifically with dreams and consciousness. Tom starts talking about dreams at the 3:40 mark.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dxmhSNfeywg


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 Post subject: Re: Interpreting Dreams
PostPosted: Fri Jun 22, 2018 6:07 pm 
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Something that may help you is an interview on YouTube that Tom did with Laurie Houston about two years ago that dealt specifically with dreams and consciousness. Tom starts talking about dreams at the 3:40 mark.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dxmhSNfeywg
Great video you've given me the link to, thanks Michael😊 I had in fact already seen it, and it was precisely this specific video that led me to understand that dreams do indeed actually contain significance for spiritual growth, whereas before I routinely dismissed dreams as being just basically meaningless drivel. So as usual Tom provides the Big Picture view on the importance of dreams but he doesn't really delve much into the specific symbology contained therein. My gut feeling is that there is underlying meaning in the nitty-gritty details of an off-the-wall dream.

For example, what's the underlying meaning when I find myself in a semi-lucid dream carrying books, or running towards or away from something, or just running freely, or wrestling with someone or something, or barefoot, or going through a tunnel ...etc etc. That's the level of interpretation I'm trying to find. I understand that some are Fear Tests and other times it's me acting at the Being level ...but when dreams are heavily laden with symbols, pictograms, iconographies and such I find it next to impossible to decipher them.


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 Post subject: Re: Interpreting Dreams
PostPosted: Fri Jun 22, 2018 6:46 pm 
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I recall in another video in which Tom was also talking about dreams, where a person had asked Tom a question about his (Tom's) own personal dreams. Tom answered that he, too, still had learning dreams in which he had to make choices, but he also made an interesting comment where he stated that he still sometimes has silly dreams, just like everyone else, that don't really mean anything. I took that statement of his to mean that not all dreams are supposed to have an underlying or important meaning in which something is trying to be conveyed to us. From what Tom mentioned, it appears that sometimes there may not always be a specific message of some type in all of our dreams. That's my take on it, anyway. The dream world is a very interesting and sometimes perplexing reality in which we may never truly understand all the ins and outs of...

Happy dreaming to you!


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 Post subject: Re: Interpreting Dreams
PostPosted: Fri Jun 22, 2018 10:36 pm 
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When dreaming, we're usually operating out of our being level and in that case, it doesn't necessarily help to interpret dreams as a series of events like a story, focusing on the content alone, but to pay attention how the events in the dream made you feel and why they made you feel that way which can help with realizing what your inner fears are as well as your inner being.


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 22, 2018 10:44 pm 
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I recall in another video in which Tom was also talking about dreams, where a person had asked Tom a question about his (Tom's) own personal dreams. Tom answered that he, too, still had learning dreams in which he had to make choices, but he also made an interesting comment where he stated that he still sometimes has silly dreams, just like everyone else, that don't really mean anything. I took that statement of his to mean that not all dreams are supposed to have an underlying or important meaning in which something is trying to be conveyed to us. From what Tom mentioned, it appears that sometimes there may not always be a specific message of some type in all of our dreams. That's my take on it, anyway. The dream world is a very interesting and sometimes perplexing reality in which we may never truly understand all the ins and outs of...

Happy dreaming to you!
Yes Mike (may I call you that?), I remember watching that video you're referencing above as well. I usually discard silly dreams right off the bat too unless I find that I am lucid or semi-lucid while experiencing them in which case I try to pay particular attention to any possible learning opportunities or potential feedback contained therein. Nowadays I almost always formulate a conscious intent to continue receiving additional spiritual growth opportunities before going to sleep and in fact ever since I started doing so I almost always have semi-lucid dreams (i.e. dreams wherein although I cannot control entirely what happens I'm nevertheless still aware that it is indeed a dream). Using Tom's binaural beats seems to accentuate the probabilities of having such dreams for me.

However as you very wisely point out, the dream world is a very interesting and sometimes perplexing reality which we may never truly understand all the ins and outs of...

Best regards!


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 Post subject: Re: Interpreting Dreams
PostPosted: Fri Jun 22, 2018 10:51 pm 
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When dreaming, we're usually operating out of our being level and in that case, it doesn't necessarily help to interpret dreams as a series of events like a story, focusing on the content alone, but to pay attention how the events in the dream made you feel and why they made you feel that way which can help with realizing what your inner fears are as well as your inner being.
Very good point there Human. This is why I try to round out my dream experiences as much as possible by not only taking notice of why & how the events make me feel as they unfold, but additionally by trying to also take note of any possible iconographic symbology contained therein. Thanks for the perceptive comment!😊


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 Post subject: Re: Interpreting Dreams
PostPosted: Fri Jun 22, 2018 10:57 pm 
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Only you can really know what your dreams mean. Those dreams are intrinsically personal. And the LCS knows you better than you know yourself.
Actually that is why most people think that their dreams are random - they are simply not aware of who/what they really are from a larger perspective, so they can't connect the dots.

There is one way to understand your dreams: Understand what your life is. And fortunately by studying your dreams you will understand more about your life. It's a very expansive journey.
If you asked Tom directly about a dream, he would give you maybe different 3 possibilities/guesses and then let you figure out the rest. That's how it must be. :)


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 Post subject: Re: Interpreting Dreams
PostPosted: Sat Jun 23, 2018 2:56 am 
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Only you can really know what your dreams mean. Those dreams are intrinsically personal. And the LCS knows you better than you know yourself.
Actually that is why most people think that their dreams are random - they are simply not aware of who/what they really are from a larger perspective, so they can't connect the dots.

There is one way to understand your dreams: Understand what your life is. And fortunately by studying your dreams you will understand more about your life. It's a very expansive journey.
If you asked Tom directly about a dream, he would give you maybe different 3 possibilities/guesses and then let you figure out the rest. That's how it must be. :)
Yes, only I can really know what my dreams mean. And yes, my dreams are intrinsically personal. And yes, the LCS knows me better than I know myself. And no, as I've clearly stated, I no longer believe that my dreams are random ...which is exactly why I presented my question in the first place. And yes, I understand my own life. What I don't understand is DREAM S--Y--M--B--O--L--O--G-Y. That's why it is hard for me to connect the dots.

If Tom were to give me 3 possibilities/guesses, then at least that would be infinitely better than 3,333 guesses, wouldn't you agree?.


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 Post subject: Re: Interpreting Dreams
PostPosted: Sat Jun 23, 2018 3:07 am 
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Ok ok no need to raise your voice :-) Carrying books: Can symbolize gathering knowledge. Can be positive or negative (only negative if they're too heavy and weighing you down, maybe resulting in a big mess on the floor).
Running away from things are classic fear dreams.
Any other specific examples?


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 Post subject: Re: Interpreting Dreams
PostPosted: Sat Jun 23, 2018 6:58 am 
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So in the spirit of trying to learn more on the topic I did some online research and came across this website (http://www.dreammoods.com/dreamdictionary/) which is not only pretty comprehensive but additionally seems somehow instinctually correct to me.
I have used the same website a few times in the past, it can give some good suggestions about what something could mean. It only 'works' insofar that we share metaphors with each other. Metaphors are personal, but we all happen to share a reality that naturally makes us have similar experiences, and being part of the (mostly) same culture also gives a lot of weight to having shared metaphors through dreams.

It can be a good exercise to look at some of the dream dictionary, and come up with a reason for why that is, why does that metaphor mean this for me? Also look for metaphors that are different for you, why is that? For example, I clicked on random letter, and got the list of "F". The top word is the letter "F", and it says: "To see the letter "F" in your dream symbolizes failure. It may also denote an expletive as in "F you"." This doesn't really apply to me, because we don't use the F-A letter grading system in my country, we use numbers instead.. so I have no personal experience that creates a connection between 'failure' and 'F'.

Another example I found: "Native American: To see a Native American in your dream represents the instinctual and uninhibited aspect of your character. You desire more freedom from cultural and society restraints.", that's probably true for most people non-native Western people, because we have experiences (mostly from films and books and such) that can create that connection, but for a Native American it would probably mean something different, because they would have a different experience and association with that word and concept, for them there would be wider range of meanings, which includes it having no particular meaning (because it's completely normal), to it having the same meaning as most people (though more direct).

It's essentially just suggestions, that best fits with the "idealised average person" within our culture.

Personally I wouldn't recommend that people focus so much on interpreting dream symbols, it can easily lead to over-interpretation and making an intellectual exercise of something that is often not intellectual. Rather just examine the intents and feelings in the dream, and take notice of 'decision points'. If you can't examine any of this, I would say that just looking at what it means for you to carry books (or any other 'action') is not of any real significance in terms of learning something new. It could be valuable if it's part of the path to looking into something deeper, or part of developing a greater interest in dreaming and personal growth, but just by itself, interpreting the examples you gave without an awareness of intent, feelings and decisions, makes it unlikely to have value in terms of personal growth.


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 Post subject: Re: Interpreting Dreams
PostPosted: Sat Jun 23, 2018 7:50 am 
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DREAM S--Y--M--B--O--L--O--G-Y
In Tom's interview with Graham nicholls he says he doesn't find the symbols important in and of themselves, even when navigating the LCS. Symbols are always used contextually and can have great subjective variability depending on the person and how their unconscious mind filters the incoming datastream into a reference frame it can understand. That is why I say if you're looking for answers it's best to feel out the situation holistically rather than look at individual pieces and analyze them intellectually. As dreams are usually a learning environment to, there is usually a theme of exploring fear and overcoming it.


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 Post subject: Re: Interpreting Dreams
PostPosted: Sat Jun 23, 2018 8:32 am 
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remember you are in a different reality frame and must interpret it through your PRM memories and knowledge. try not to focus on any specific thing or "word" you interpret as receiving, but the overall message.

if there is some type of message the LCS or whoever has for you, it should be easily remembered as soon as you wake up. much of it is just the same as here, letting go of your fears, you are evolving in the dream reality frame as well.

it should be clear to you if anything important or if future probable data is being given to you by the LCS or anyone.


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 Post subject: Re: Interpreting Dreams
PostPosted: Sat Jun 23, 2018 8:41 am 
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I started to analyze my dreams a couple of years ago in earnest. Along the way, I decided to focus/merge and reconcile my waking awareness to my dream awareness to include other levels of awareness/consciousness. For me, symbols are secondary to the maintenance of harmony in the varied levels of consciousness.


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 Post subject: Re: Interpreting Dreams
PostPosted: Sat Jun 23, 2018 11:25 am 
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Pay attention to the decisions you make in dreams. Because in dreams you are acting from your being level. Your dream decisions will give a clue of your true self. The rest is largely window dressing.


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