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 Post subject: Re: "Better" PMRs
PostPosted: Fri Apr 06, 2012 7:11 pm 
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There is a real danger now because our technology is outstripping our entropy. But if the worst happened and the planet was destroyed there are other PMRs or the LCS might just hit the reset button to some point in history and run the simulation from that point.
Would this PMR necessarily be worth saving? I'm sure there are other kindergartens out there, perhaps even within the billions of galaxies of this very same PMR. I suppose it depends on whether the folks in charge decide that the homo sapiens experience is worthwile.


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 Post subject: Re: "Better" PMRs
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I would say we've destroyed this VR several times already although I think we are skilled enough at noticing patterns to start avoiding repeating the ones that lead to destruction...
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what is the difference miss bette josh


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 Post subject: Re: "Better" PMRs
PostPosted: Fri Apr 06, 2012 8:08 pm 
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Would this PMR necessarily be worth saving? I'm sure there are other kindergartens out there, perhaps even within the billions of galaxies of this very same PMR. I suppose it depends on whether the folks in charge decide that the homo sapiens experience is worthwile.
I remember Tom said, that this is a pretty good PMR. I don't think a question is to save this PMR or not. It is rather, could each of us low our entropy to save this PMR? LCS's goal to low its entropy, and players in entropy reduction game should be productive enough to stay in this game. We can destroy this PMR by our own means, no help is required.

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so lena do you think we could collectively create a higher school level than kindergarden if enough of us start becoming love. and nudge the new fwau coming in towards that path. some i guess would call this creating a heaven on earth. josh


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there are some hints in Tom's words that the actual macro purpose of MBTOE is to press the learning system gas pedal a bit to realign the mean entropy at a slightly higher trajectory, perhaps to be able to handle the new technologies and geo-political challenges coming up

there could also be some ultra low entropy reinforcements being fed into the system in the form of children with what I would call "spooky" low entropy...7 year olds organizing charity events and that sort of thing

we are also seeing what I would call weird, ultra low entropy behavior coming out of the left coast 20 something high tech multi-millionaires/billionaires, where a locus of hope regarding low entropy and accelerating effectiveness may be forming

I may be imagining this, or incorrectly connecting the dots, most often the wish fathers the thought

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i too share your positive view it has never sat well with me that this vr will stay at kindergarten level. collective entropy will go up or down staying the same is not very probable or stable, i am hopeful for the latter. josh


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apparently in or around the year zero BC/AD, it was common for prisoners to be shuffled into the parties of the political elite, placed on pedestals, and alive, set on fire for the amusement of the gathering and for lighting.

A historian, coming upon this interesting factoid, began to consider the significance of this observation in the context of where we are now, and what that apparent fact, if true, indicated about the quality of consciousness of that era of history...and wrote a book on this.

I remember seeing the guy being interviewed on Bloomberg or somewhere...don't think I could track it down again

All this to say, I believe if we look at history without rose colored glasses, and rather than judging events against a hypothetical and idealistic kindergarden level standard or with utopian thinking, consciousness appears to evolving in a positive direction over the centuries.

of course, as NPMR writ large is apparently much larger than our OS, and completed IOUCs graduate to other realms or management, an improvement in our OS mean entropy would not be necessary for the process to be meaningful, but there you apparently have it.

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i also see it nudging that way, grade school is a good possibillity if we work for it. josh


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what is the difference miss bette josh
Do you mean what pattern needs to change, or be different josh?
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bette your quote on the other page qoc is not effected by diet but diet is effected by qoc i`d say.clarity of consciousness is effected by diet though. if clarity of consciousness is effected in a on going way that would hurt our abillity to process data, as to raise our entropy. i reallty do not see much difference. josh


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bette your quote on the other page qoc is not effected by diet but diet is effected by qoc i`d say.clarity of consciousness is effected by diet though. if clarity of consciousness is effected in a on going way that would hurt our abillity to process data, as to raise our entropy. i reallty do not see much difference. josh
Have you read MBT Josh? Entropy doesn't go up and down during a life time it takes life times to make a measurable difference which isn't actually measurable. Tom doesn't become lower QoC if he eats some sugar he just probably gets physically ill and cloudy Consciousness wise. You don't get a higher QoC by not eating sugar.
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so lena do you think we could collectively create a higher school level than kindergarden if enough of us start becoming love. and nudge the new fwau coming in towards that path. some i guess would call this creating a heaven on earth. josh
Josh,

I think that in a future a regular kindergarten could be transfered into Montessori kindergarten. As far as I understand by design this PMR is kindergarten, and this is why new unexperienced IUOCs joining this PMR all the time. In Montessori kindergarten QoC of more mature and experienced FWAUs would create a healthier and friendlier environment, and it would provide different growth opportunities for the newcomers. This is a learning ground, and it cannot offer a heaven like experience. Mistakes are an inevitable part of learning process. Bruises and scratched knees, broken noses and missed opportunities will continue to be present. A heaven like place sounds like a retirement home, but kids, even the best and smartest ones, run, scream, punch each other and misbehave from time to time.

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bette your quote on the other page qoc is not effected by diet but diet is effected by qoc i`d say.clarity of consciousness is effected by diet though. if clarity of consciousness is effected in a on going way that would hurt our abillity to process data, as to raise our entropy. i reallty do not see much difference. josh
Have you read MBT Josh? Entropy doesn't go up and down during a life time it takes life times to make a measurable difference which isn't actually measurable. Tom doesn't become lower QoC if he eats some sugar he just probably gets physically ill and cloudy Consciousness wise. You don't get a higher QoC by not eating sugar.
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yes miss bette i have read, and i think he says we have a certain amount of entropy to reduce here, and if we go by the rule sets in pmr it does make it easier, we can go the other way if we are not careful, do not you think so? it is not only the stuff we put in us but also the path we choose that could cloud our judgement, as to give us less clarity. moving towards love and away from fear and ego can be very challenging the clearer the mind the better the results. josh


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thank you miss lena that is what i meant by nudging the new fwau on a positive path, i did not know that montessori meant that. what i mean by heaven on earth is moving towards love one step at a time. thank you for more hope. josh


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