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PostPosted: Thu Dec 31, 2009 2:50 am 
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Just came across this little segment from Seth's "Unknown Reality." In a way it reminded me a lot of Will (as in: Will1987) and just his ideas in general, as well as my own thoughts on this topic. Some here will consider this poetry, and others will hopefully see it as I do. It's okay to see it as poetry, because in a very real sense- even MBT is poetry... (Of course, when I say MBT is "poetry" I don't mean that in a strictly "logical" kind of way either. In other words- I'm not being totally serious- but in a way, anything that is expressed with words is poetry from another perspective, especially when we're dealing with a reality such as ours, where we are referred to as basically, "The Consciousness Kindergartners." For example: think back on or go and take a look at- the books that are written for little kids (Dr. Seuss comes to mind). These books usually send a fairly "advanced" message (sharing, caring, tolerance, whatever) in very simple terms that make sense to the little kids. It would be easy to call these books vague and childish or say that they are mere poetry- but that wouldn't change the fact the messages contained within the stories are "true" and "timeless".)

So, sorry for the ramble- but here's the quote from Seth regarding "value climate" which I think basically refers to the "ocean of being" as seen from a certain perspective within consciousness. Enjoy :) -
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The value climate of psychological reality can be likened to an ocean in which all consciousness has its being. There are multitudinous levels that can be plunged into, with various life forms, diverse and alien, but nevertheless interconnected and dependent one upon the other. I like the ocean analogy because you get the idea of continuous flow and motion without apparent division.

As temperatures in various depths of ocean change, and as even the color of the water and of the flora and fauna change, so too in our value climate there are quality [hmm, remind anyone of "quality of consciousness" and entropy?] changes, and senses equipped to project and perceive the changes. There are distortions because of the limitations of the outer senses, but the inner senses' do not distort. The inner senses inhabit directly the atmosphere of our value climate; they see through the evervarying camouflage (physical) patterns, and the flux and flow of apparent change. To some small degree in our sessions you plunge into this ocean of value climate, and to the extent that you are able to divest yourselves of the clothes of camouflage, you can be truly aware of this climate.

What is required is more than a shedding of clothes, however. To plunge into this ocean you also leave the physical body at the shore. It will be there when you get back. Your camouflage patterns can be likened to those cast by sun and shadow upon the the ever-moving waves. As long as you keep the pattern in mind, you create it, and it is there. If you turn your head away for a moment and then look quickly back you can see only the wave. Your camouflage and your world are created by conscious focusing and unconscious concentration. Only by turning your head aside momentarily can you see what is beneath the seemingly solid pattern. By plunging into our ocean of value climate you can dive beneath your camouflage system and look up to see it, relatively foundationless, floating above you, moved, formed, and directed by the shifting illusions caused by the wind of will, and the force of subconscious concentration and demand. Yet even these camouflage patterns must follo~v the

basic rules of the inner universe, and reflect them, even if in a distortive manner. So does value expansion become reincarnation and evolution and growth. So are all the other basic laws of the inner universe followed on every plane, and reflected from the most minute to the most gigantic spectrum.

Concentrating upon your own camouflage universe, you are able to distinguish only the distortive pattern, and from this pattern you deduce your ideas of cause and effect, past, present and future, and ideas of an expanding universe that bloats...

Something about this passage just strikes me...

Thanks for reading guys- take it easy,

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 31, 2009 10:53 am 
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Your comments on 'poetry' remind me of the scientific fields use of the word 'elegant'.

I came across my first Seth book in '95 and a significant personal step of my awakening. All I can remember is the book was about 3 inches thick. I shortly after that read 'God of Jane' by Roberts.

What's odd about that reading history is how much I have internalized the content and can't separate in my mind the original sources.

Thanks for posting Seth's stuff.


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 31, 2009 11:15 am 
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Your comments on 'poetry' remind me of the scientific fields use of the word 'elegant'.
Which reminds me of mathematical use of 'beauty' in theories or proofs.
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I came across my first Seth book in '95 and a significant personal step of my awakening. All I can remember is the book was about 3 inches thick. I shortly after that read 'God of Jane' by Roberts.
What I recall of my path in reading, specifically, it was in 1997ish, starting with "Oversoul 7" which was recommended, and then going to Seth Speaks. I went from there to ALL of the Ruth Montgomery books reading them from oldest to newer, all the while getting into psychology, philosophy, and 'scientific thinking' in community college (at that time), and physics personally.
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What's odd about that reading history is how much I have internalized the content and can't separate in my mind the original sources.
When I first found MBT, or it found me, I felt an almost urgent need to record (write down) what I 'understood' about reality before All This meshed with my knowledge base. I wrote down how I had come from my history to understand reality because I must have had a feeling that would happen, that internalization does that.
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Thanks for posting Seth's stuff.
Yes, for sure. Thank you Cole. Are you able to cut and paste this from somewhere, or are you actually typing all this in? Curious minds want to know. ;]
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 31, 2009 1:02 pm 
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RBM,

Thanks for the comment- I'm always glad to hear that the posts are worthwhile. When you really go and read Seth/Jane's material in a comprehensive way, you find that it really is great stuff and worthwhile. Some think that Seth's statements are "meaninglessly" general, but I tend to disagree. Any work like this should be approached with intuition leading the way, and with the judgemental intellect taking a back seat/secondary role. As Tom said, "Different strokes for different folks" either way but- I'm glad you (and apperantly others) get something out of the Seth passages.

Bette,

Some of the material I post is copied from a website that contains three free Seth books, www.sethspeaks.org - but much of the Seth material I post here comes from books that aren't on that website and that I 'own'. Any Seth material I've posted here from such books as:

"Dreams, Evolution and Value Fulfillment"

"The Nature of the Psyche"

"Seth, Dreams and Projections of Consciousness"

or "Conversations with Seth" (Cw/S wasn't written by Seth, but by a 'student' of Jane's ESP classes) are typed up by me. I'd say that I type up at least as much of the Seth material as I copy from the website, not that I mind. It's useful to me, and therefore- must by my logic be useful to quite a few others. :)

take it easy guys!

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Yes it seems like a good use of your time, thank you for doing it, and thank you for the sethspeaks site.
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The sethspeaks.org site doesn't render in my FF (with IE tab) browser - it cuts off the left side and the horizontal scroll bar doesn't even show in the IE tab.

Anyone else ?


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The sethspeaks.org site doesn't render in my FF (with IE tab) browser - it cuts off the left side and the horizontal scroll bar doesn't even show in the IE tab.

Anyone else ?
This is rendered right now for me, Foxfire 3.5 from http://www.sethspeaks.org/# fine. The random quote generator hits me as a possible "magic eight ball" thingie, for shits and giggles (s&g). Click one of the links besides the random quote thing and a scroll bar will appear, like VR magic. You probably already know this though. ;)

Okay, what is FF, please?
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 31, 2009 5:24 pm 
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[Sigh) FF = Firefox 2.0.0.17 is what I'm using and all is see is a wide rectangle on the right and a squarish rectangle on the left.

Bette, has v. 3.x worked OK for you since you've been using it for how long ?


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[Sigh) FF = Firefox 2.0.0.17 is what I'm using and all is see is a wide rectangle on the right and a squarish rectangle on the left.

Bette, has v. 3.x worked OK for you since you've been using it for how long ?
Omg, you are using Firefox 2?

I think it would be much better for you to use 3.5.. many new features and 10 times better security.


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[Sigh) FF = Firefox 2.0.0.17 is what I'm using and all is see is a wide rectangle on the right and a squarish rectangle on the left.

Bette, has v. 3.x worked OK for you since you've been using it for how long ?
Omg, you are using Firefox 2?

I think it would be much better for you to use 3.5.. many new features and 10 times better security.
I got your 'Omg' ! Don't hurt yourself laughing, SS !

Actually, I upgraded to 3.5.6 since the previous post. Nah Nah Nah !!

And with the first window I open, it's default is a smaller font ! Gosh darn it all anyway ? ... And I don't like the way the cache displays .... and ...

Oh, well, it's a holiday weekend so maybe I can get it customized by the work week - if it's customizable ?!


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To All,

Firefox handles relative size and font changing very well. I need this because of my vision problems after cataract surgery. I have a really big monitor for CADD as well which also helps. Hold down the control key and press + to increase size and control - to reduce size. I can take a link that displays in a narrow band down the center of a window that is 16 inches wide and expand it to fill the window, including images increasing with the text. Or take another link that fills the full width with minuscule text from left to right and bring it up to readable size in many more lines as it reformats across the screen. I am constantly resizing depending on what is on a page of a web site. IE does not appear to handle this as well as Firefox but works the same way.

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My denseness is showing, sorry. Gosh, everything reminds me of something. When I first got a computer in 1997 I got addicted to chat and found a way to rationalize cyber by doing report on it for my human sexuality class, and fun I guess. My moniker was "sighburrr", and they used to call me 'sigh' in the chat rooms. After I got over that I found a way to use the computer for better use and became an online student assistant, much better vibe, sigh.
Anyone here is better to find out about computer browser issues and technical stuff than I, by the way.
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[Sigh) FF = Firefox
My denseness is showing, sorry. Gosh, everything reminds me of something. When I first got a computer in 1997 I got addicted to chat and found a way to rationalize cyber by doing report on it for my human sexuality class, and fun I guess. My moniker was "sighburrr", and they used to call me 'sigh' in the chat rooms. After I got over that I found a way to use the computer for better use and became an online student assistant, much better vibe, sigh.
Anyone here is better to find out about computer browser issues and technical stuff than I, by the way.
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Whoops Bette, that sigh was NOT directed at you - it was directed at technology - or myself - depending if I want to 'lie to myself' ( remember that thread ?)

Sorry for the poor communications on my part.


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Well, I got to tell a story, so thanks. Communication takes effort, but it ends up being worth it. Apparently I am quick to figure I did something wrong. Oh hell-o kitty, just typing that brought out the water works, what is up with that? Anyway, it's all good and love means never having to say you're sorry (that's what Ryan O'Neal said in Love Story anyway). ;)
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it's all good and love means never having to say you're sorry (that's what Ryan O'Neal said in Love Story anyway). ;)
This phrase was applied to a specific PMR view of an apparent "perfect" love relationship for a couple. Let's say you love your husband or boyfriend but you came late for a dinner date because you helped somebody to take his/her to a hospital. You are going to say: "I am sorry I came late ...".

In the case of RBM and similar scenarios the "I'm sorry" shows that they care about how their actions affect others. It is actually an expression of love, because it is about their effect towards others.

This is another example that by "literally" taking certain phrases and generalize them to all possible applications may lead to unproductive beliefs.

Tom, though has this special ability that created phrases that are more general than certain PMR applications and following them are mainly productive.

Phrases like "no pain no gain" or "no pain no pain" depend on the context. Would you say "no pain no pain" if you could fight to save somebody else's life? What about a painful career to get a degree? You can also have an easy career that can turn productive.

I am sorry that I shaked your beliefs, but I am actually not sorry, I just did what I did.

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