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PostPosted: Sun Aug 14, 2011 11:06 am 
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Many an object is not seen, though it falls within the range of our visual ray, because it does not come within the range of our intellectual ray, i.e., we are not looking for it. So, in the largest sense, we find only the world we look for.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 14, 2011 1:29 pm 
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 06, 2011 11:30 am 
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In reading recently, I came across a definition of a "field" in PMR:

"A field is a region of space capable of producing a force".

Generally, as far as I can figure (and I may be wrong) fields are always associated with objects that have some physicality: An electric field, for example, might be generated by a motor, or by a moving metal object, or by a lightning bolt, or by the sun, or by one's mother-in-law's hair, medusa-like, on a day of low humidity.

and it occurred to me that, maybe, in NPMR, a belief system does exactly the same thing; it is an object there, creating a field capable of producing a force.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 06, 2011 1:16 pm 
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Love is a force. :)
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no segue here...just a new thought to offer (its a little too "glass 1% empty" for my taste, but setting that aside, interesting)

"they say life is strange...but compared to what?" - Steve Forbert

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Strange Names and New Sensations
Thirty More Years

A little girl is standing at your door on Halloween,
The face of expectation and of trust in everything;
A little boy has thrown some heavy stones into a pond;
Dusting off his hands, he's feeling proud of what he's done.

Chorus
The geocentric days are gone and Earth is still a sphere,
Objects in the mirror may be just as they appear,
We spin around the sun and call each trip we make a year,
Thirty more years of this and, people, I am out of here (out of here).

The trees turn into buildings and the weeks turn into months,
It’s one thing or another or it’s ev’rything at once;
There’s two sides to each story, yes, and sometimes many more
And four bananas make a bunch and two times ten’s a score.

Repeat chorus

If we weren’t in so much trouble I would say that things were fine
and smile as I went walking and just wave on down the line;
If there weren’t so many problems I would say that it’s okay
And smile as I went walking and just wave on down the way.

Mothers hate war more in gen’ral than Joint Chiefs of Staff,
Battleground statistics don’t add up in schoolhouse math;
The male of this here species lives for eighty years or so,
Starts to see the mess he’s made and then it’s time to go.

Repeat chorus

It’s often said that life is strange, but, hey, compared to what?
I asked this question years ago, it's still worth asking, but
It all seems stranger now, I think, but that could be just me
And I've no all-time gauge of strange for objectivity

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 07, 2011 10:59 am 
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I like it, thank you Randy. Is he published?
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 07, 2011 12:55 pm 
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search youtube forbert thirty more years

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"Life is like a melody, and we should sing and dance all the way through" ~~Patrick


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PostPosted: Thu Nov 03, 2011 6:58 pm 
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The concept of singing our lives to each other is packed within a great REM CD entitled Reveal.

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The concept of singing our lives to each other is packed within a great REM CD entitled Reveal.
Thank you Beau.
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Cheerfulness (A psychosynthesis technique), by Roberto Assagioli

"There is an important point about interpersonal relations which has been emphasized by Paul Tournier, one of the pioneers in the new humanistic medicine. It is that it is necessary never to assert that one is right, and above all when one is or believes that one is right. Tournier says "To be right is dangerous, it has ever been the source of all intolerance." I strongly recommend this valuable maxim. When one is in the wrong, one can come to terms; but when one is right and asserts the fact, conflict results. To demonstrate to others that one is in the right is in fact to humiliate them; it is to offend their vanity and their prestige, and thus to create hostile reactions.

Good human relations in general are generated and fostered by cheerfulness. It has been said "The smile is a very powerful weapon. It even succeeds in breaking ice." One hears much these days about isolation and lack of communication. Well, a kindly smile can help to demolish artificial barriers built by distrust, suspicion and fear of being misunderstood."

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Unfortunately, Lena, this sounds like the Zen concept of the sound of one hand clapping! While I have felt myself to have had some understanding of this as mysticism, I can only see it as a logical impossibility for two persons to have diametrically opposed concepts, presumably with one concept right and the other wrong, and while calling one wrong, refrain from calling the other right. It would be like getting rid of up in the dichotomy of up and down as directions defined by gravity. How do they do this hand waving? Or do they use wands?

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 18, 2011 6:26 pm 
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Well, *I* like it Lena....~

It never ceases to amaze me how the idea of non-judgmentalism finds the vigorous resistance it does in precisely the audience it ideally would target.

Ideas are like butterflies and judgmentalism is like a bug zapper .....

BZzzzzzz...zzz...zzzzzTTTT!~

....no matter what the nature of the creature is.

It's an interesting puzzle, at least....

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Montana,

Unfortunately your comments do not answer the question. Do you know how you slice and dice this dichotomy into only a concept of wrong without a concept of right? I asked because I do not understand. One hand clapping in Zen has a basis that is, or was at one time, clear to me or so seemed and might yet if I put myself back into that mindset. This strictly logical conundrum presents no answer to me. I want an explanation, not a 'like' as in Facebook. It is a logical paradox like Bertrand Russel's question of 'who shaves the barber'.

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 18, 2011 8:27 pm 
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I didn't pick up anything in the above quote about one hand clapping Ted. Did I miss something somehow?

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