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PostPosted: Wed Feb 27, 2019 10:03 am 
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.... a contradiction here.

When we want something to happen, we are operating out of weak intellect and ego and have little effect and when we don't want something to happen, it makes it happen.
Can Tom provide clarification on this?
Here is a hypothetical: an Ivey league professor who drinks, smokes and follows an unhealthy diet and has heart disease and COPD as a result. In spite of his doctor's warnings he continues down this negative path. He wants to be healthy.


Is he operating at the intellectual level?

Is there any chance he will get what he wants regarding his health under the present posture of things?

Does he have negative thoughts about what may happen to him?

Have those negative thoughts influenced his health in spite of his desire to be healthy?

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 28, 2019 2:57 am 
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I would say that person is not taking responsibility for his actions.


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 28, 2019 3:52 pm 
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I would say that person is not taking responsibility for his actions.
"When we want something to happen, we are operating out of weak intellect and ego and have little effect": The professor is operating out of a weak intellect and ego. He wants to be healthy but he is unable to focus his intent to accomplish it.



"and when we don't want something to happen, it makes it happen.
Can Tom provide clarification on this?" The professor wants better health. His Doctor has warned him repeatedly to no avail. He worries about his ill health, does not want it to get worse but due to a lack of focused intent, brings on the very thing he does not want to happen and makes it happen. As his health continues to decline.


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 01, 2019 6:57 pm 
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A Question For Tom:

Tom has suggested that there is an objective morality, or objective right and wrong, which reduces to the statement, "If it increases entropy it is morally wrong, and if it decreases entropy it is morally right."

The justification for this seems to be rooted in the subjective value, or subjective preference, for the Larger Consciousness System to continue to exist. As long as it continues to reduce its entropy, it is growing informationally, and continues on existing, so reducing entropy is good, and increasing entropy is bad.

But is it objectively true that the continued existence of the Larger Consciousness System is good? Isn't this a mere arbitrary preference for existence over non-existence, which seems to be at the root of all morality in MBT? I have in mind the so called anti-natilists who seem to subjectively prefer non-existence over existence. Are they objectively wrong to value non-existence? Is the Larger Consciousness System objectively right to value existence?

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 01, 2019 11:19 pm 
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One More question for Tom:

Is the ultimate and fundamental ground of reality continuous or discrete? In some ways it sounds as if, since everything is a manifestation of AUO, that at base there is one continuous substance. In the MBT books, to describe the keeping of regular time the process is described by graphs which show the transition from state 1 to 0 as continuous in nature, which is to say there is no "excluded middle" as in digital clocks.

But then, when one thinks of AUO in relation to "not AUO" there is still a discrete nature inherent in the base of existence. And in the necessity of the realization of a "this state" versus a "that state" that kicks off all of AUO's eventual evolution, it seems that discreteness may be fundamental to metaphysics. It seems also that logic itself, the ability for conscious thought, relies on discrete bits.

Is it digits all the way down? Or do we end up at a continuous foundation? And what is the significance of this?

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 05, 2019 10:07 am 
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Hey, Tom

I read that the suicide rate has become quite high in South Korea for older people, simply because they don't have sufficient income to continue paying their bills. Many are in poor health and do not have relatives they can move in with. Obviously the country needs to develop a better social safety net, but what would you say to these folks who are faced with the difficult choice between either living on the streets or killing themselves (they do not have nearly enough shelters for all the homeless people, just like the US)? When is it time to trade in the old "junker" for a shiny new model if you don't have the funds to keep a roof over your head? Is there any value in old, sick people battling to survive in the streets, considering all the suffering that entails? Seems kind of pointless. Thanks.


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 12, 2019 5:10 am 
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Hi,

Was there a specific point when you realised that love was the answer? and if so, did you begin to more consciously make loving choices in your life from then on?

Or was it more of a refining how you lived previously, as you seemed pretty well balanced from the start

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The Ultimate Fear Test? Something else?

Hi,

I have a reoccurring experience where a formless 'thing' is calling out to me with a sound that brings tears to my eyes just trying to recall it. The more I try to overcome it, the more chaos and horrors occur around me. As this is a reoccurring event, I have become familiar with the process. I cannot speak of the horrors I am shown, but each time I would rather choose to face them than answer the call. It's unbearable. If I wake up, I get dragged back against all my will. Time slows and I can't escape. The worst of it happened two nights ago. I came back and I had completely missed work. Here is my question:

In your experience and understanding of reality, what do you think is happening? Can fear tests really become this extreme? If so, how do I face something that torments my very being so deeply, and yet is formless?


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 21, 2019 8:18 am 
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I am curious as to how our Quality of Consciousness is represented data-wise in our IUOC. I understand that we generally do not retain intellectual knowledge between experience packets. So that would seem to rule out remembering specific algorithms for making decisions. How then is our Quality of Consciousness represented so that there is continuity and growth between lifetimes, without us recalling specific memories and algorithms?


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 25, 2019 4:55 am 
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Tom often explains that sugar is an extreme influence when it comes to the clarity of our consciousness. I still have problems understanding why. I was wondering if Tom could explain the effects of sugar on our consciousness with the metaphor of the Elf in World of Warcraft.

To me, it seems that the game would give the elf constraints for eating sugar. The player behind the screen should remain unaffected. He should be able to access other games or do anything besides playing the elf without an issue.

Do we access the larger reality only "through" our avatar? In this case the World of Warcraft metaphor would not work but maybe Tom could find another way to explain how this works.


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 04, 2019 10:35 am 
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Question for Tom:

More and more often, I dream being alone in a void perfectly dark and I am silently crying with such an intensity that I wake up immediately.
Each time I don't remember anything else in this kind of dream and it is never a nightmare and the dark void is not frightening at all.
What do you think could be going on behind the scene ?


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Question for Tom on the limits of our free will:

There are so many stories of people who had a NDE in which they told the entity they were talking to that they want to stay in this other reality and the entity said "No, you have to go back". And then the person is sent back to our reality against her will. This entity may be the LCS hiding in one of its metaphores. It clearly has its own free will and in those cases opposes the free will of the dying person.
This raises the question of the limits of our free will. What are they ? Do we really have free will when ours can be crushed by the free will of the LCS ? Maybe we are just disposable lab rats with temporary limited free will serving the objectives of the experiment they are in and where the experimenter (LCS) has always the last word?
What if the LCS is like these nice smiling despots we call politicians who pretend they want us good and know better than us what is good for us but only care about their own survival and self-interests and speak to us only with lies ?
What if our free will is as virtual as everything else ?
What if the constraints of the rule sets we call science are above all constraints on our free will ?
Can we ever have more happiness than we have free will ?
"When all is said and done, we may be as insignificant as a pebble lying at the bottom of the ocean with no understanding of what lies above our heads."(Martin Armstrong)

A few examples:

Lani Leary: (3:25-4:00)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x53guiS7oe8

Nancy Rynes: (12:27)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4oVMGmi3h7E

Anne Archer Butcher: (3:54)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKsObOBchhg

Suzan Smadi: (4:30)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xgaP3nZLnww

Suzan Noeske: (4:30-9:00, 15:20-15:45)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oo7ujk77ASc


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Comment for Tom on forecasting our free will choices:

Dr Mary Neal had a NDE following a drowning in a kayak accident in 1999. During her encounter with what she believes is Christ and other entities, she was told that her oldest son will die. And sure enough, 10 years later, she received a phone call announcing that her son died in a car accident right on the day she just finished writing the book about her NDE.

Now, there was millions and millions of so-called free will choices that her son had made during those 10 years leading him to his death. Either the LCS had forecasted each of them correctly, or it wrote the script of his death long in advance and enforced it on him because the script is part of this game (and strangely enough, Dr Mary Neal believes that God has a plan for each of us as he had a plan for her son; and plan is just another word for script).
The forecast has been done to Mary Neal 10 years earlier despite the fact that during this period millions and millions of free will choices will be made and nearly each one of them could have negated this outcome.
If those millions of choices are really free will choices plus the millions of choices of all the people connected to him, how a single outcome could be officially forecasted with certainty to Dr Neal? The sum of all the uncertainties was huge, yet during those 10 years none of those so called free will choices had been able to change anything ! What does this tell us about the importance of our decisions?

Something is seriously wrong if we can be predicted so easily with free will like the trajectory of a planet who has none.

Maybe we are like a mouse in a maze celebrating its free will because it can choose to go right or left and thinks its choice will change everything.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=63wY2fylJD0


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Comment for Tom on the LCS forecasting itself:

If the LCS can forecast each of our choices for the next 10 years as in the case of the son of Dr Mary Neal, that means that it can forecast itself which also means it can forecast its own evolution and future entropy. This means that if it forecasts a harmful higher entropy in 10 years it would be stupid not to intervene in order to avoid such an event. Which means that the LCS is in control of its entropy and future despite our free will choices. It is pulling so many strings behind the curtain for its own survival and self-interests. The problem is also that it didn't wait for us to exist and didn't wait for us to highly evolve to the point of creating complex dynamical systems and forecasting them with incredible accuracy and it didn't wait for us to lower its entropy during this process so why suddenly does it need us ? What are we doing here that it can't do all by itself ? Why create virtual realities to do something it already masters? What are we trying to learn that the LCS doesn't already know?

One of the conclusions is also that the LCS cannot de-evolve thanks to its ability of 1) forecasting itself and 2) intervening on itself. UNLESS it doesn't care about taking the risk of a higher entropy path if it is no more afraid of its own death.

All in all, we may be not indispensable at all.
"Nature just may have her own plan in mind and we are no more than a fly on the rear-end of an elephant with no control over where he is going." (Martin Armstrong)


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