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 Post subject: A question
PostPosted: Tue Sep 22, 2009 12:52 pm 
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I was watching a lecture given by Thomas Campbell on youtube. Very interesting. I think he made some valid points and i will surely look into this some more by reading his books. He also talked a bit about visiting other 'realities'. A question i have about that is the following:

How do you remember that you've been in another reality during an out of the body experience? I thought that memories are stored inside your physical brain in this reality. So how do these experiences in other realities get in your memory here in this reality?


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 Post subject: Re: A question
PostPosted: Tue Sep 22, 2009 1:11 pm 
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Skeptic,

This is something that you have not begun to get to yet. In Tom's Virtual Reality (VR) model of our familiar earth reality, this is a VR by virtue of appearing within our mind, residing in Consciousness Space, as opposed to our brain which is a virtual artifact of the rules by which this VR is created. This experience, including our internal perceptions and thoughts, results from our mind's interpretation of an incoming data stream and thus is virtual, not existing 'out there' as it would appear.

Remain Skeptical, living up to your chosen name, but look around on these forums a good bit before deciding to reject this concept. And of course, reading the books is fundamental. Ask questions and look around the forums.

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 Post subject: Re: A question
PostPosted: Tue Sep 22, 2009 1:15 pm 
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I think a good guess is that when the consciousness enters the body again the experience is "downloaded" to the physical brain. The limitations of the physical brain can possibly filter some of the memories out, as one can't access them as the experience is too unfamiliar to the brains earlier neural pathways or that one has been imposed an "Access Denied" *error sound*

For example, our consciousness change focus completely from this PMR during delta wave sleep, we then experience NPMR with the intent of learning and growth. These experiences are almost always completely forgotten, or it might show up as a faint memory of "something" or a vague dream.

I once saw a video of an old engineer who had an Near Death Experience, in that state he thought about whether he would remember it or not, he then focused his intent on remembering and the information sort of got downloaded to his brain, he did remember.

I think a great deal are NPMR visits are forgotten, due to protection of the individual, it may change the person from optimal path of growth, he might consider himself crazy, or it would traumatize him in some way.

Tom was for example denied access sometimes in his young age because he had something else to do, it was part of his plan.

Remember that memory is an important part of consciousness, the brain was developed to host that consciousness and memory. The brain is a function of consciousness, not the other way around. If consciousness changes the brain (As in the physical experience of consciousness) change too.


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 Post subject: Re: A question
PostPosted: Tue Sep 22, 2009 3:03 pm 
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This is something that you have not begun to get to yet. In Tom's Virtual Reality (VR) model of our familiar earth reality, this is a VR by virtue of appearing within our mind, residing in Consciousness Space, as opposed to our brain which is a virtual artifact of the rules by which this VR is created. This experience, including our internal perceptions and thoughts, results from our mind's interpretation of an incoming data stream and thus is virtual, not existing 'out there' as it would appear.
Okay maybe i should read the book first and then come back and ask some more questions :) Still i have one question i would like you to answer now. Because i have a hard time accepting the idea that the objective reality here and now is only virtual. That for example the molecular machines in our cell are just made up to make our reality more real. I find that a little hard to believe.
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Remain Skeptical, living up to your chosen name, but look around on these forums a good bit before deciding to reject this concept. And of course, reading the books is fundamental. Ask questions and look around the forums.
I will stay on these forums and buy the book. No worries. :)
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I think a good guess is that when the consciousness enters the body again the experience is "downloaded" to the physical brain. The limitations of the physical brain can possibly filter some of the memories out, as one can't access them as the experience is too unfamiliar to the brains earlier neural pathways or that one has been imposed an "Access Denied" *error sound*
But then what happens when we die? Our body will not remain. What about our memories. Thomas when answering questions after his lecture said something about reviewing your life after dead; And that every thought was still somewhere in the system(what's that anyway?) available.
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For example, our consciousness change focus completely from this PMR during delta wave sleep, we then experience NPMR with the intent of learning and growth. These experiences are almost always completely forgotten, or it might show up as a faint memory of "something" or a vague dream.
Thanx for the example. I have a follow up question that kinda sidetracks what were talking about. Anyway i'll just ask :) What's the difference between sleeping and meditating? While sleeping your blocking out all thoughts. So why can't you visit some other realities while sleeping?


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 Post subject: Re: A question
PostPosted: Tue Sep 22, 2009 4:35 pm 
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Skeptic,

I could write a great deal and still not hit all of the things you want to know. Read the forums listed at the bottom of the index page. They are far from complete but they do have some of the information you want to know as a start. There is a great deal more posted around. I think that it would be more productive for you to read and search around than to write a long treatise here and now. And people do have OOBE experiences, visit other realities and access information during sleep, perhaps remembering or perhaps just on waking up. I tend to get information this way myself, sometimes remembering more of what happened, other times just having the information when I need it when I did not seem to have it the previous day.

Things in a virtual reality are not made up to seem real. The things in the VR are the way they are because there is a rule set that defines how it develops and works. Think of it as like the writing of a computer program. This is the reality that we have. More of this is discussed in the forums I referred you to. And the in depth scope of My Big TOE that Tom wrote is fantastic and can tell you an amazing amount and explain so much of the mysteries, the anomalies, of our reality. From Tom's model of reality, you can see why quantum mechanics works the way it does. Also why relativity, the fact that the speed of light is a constant in our reality, is that way. Tom didn't write it with that purpose in mind. He wrote it based on what he found, discovered, out there in Consciousness Space. Later he realized that by accurately describing the reasons for reality to be the way it is in our common experience, he had already explained why it is that way in things that science could only discover so much later in human history. Read the books. Read around on the forums. Help us organize the forums I have referred you to by pointing out your discoveries on the forums so that we can include the one's that people find especially valuable there.

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 Post subject: Re: A question
PostPosted: Tue Sep 22, 2009 4:42 pm 
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But then what happens when we die? Our body will not remain. What about our memories. Thomas when answering questions after his lecture said something about reviewing your life after dead; And that every thought was still somewhere in the system(what's that anyway?) available.
Yes, remember that EVERYTHING we experience is stored directly in the memory of our Total Self. There is a great database of every moment of experience, through many many lifetimes.

Let us take an example:

Mistar X is now 70 years old, he has lived a great life and he has many high valued lessons stored in his memory. His is starting to show symptoms of Alzheimers, over the next 10 years his brain degenerates severely, his memory is pretty much ruined, he can barely take a fork and feed himself, but that will soon too be forgotten.

Mistar X is now 82 years old, his body is starting to shut down, most of his brain functions are destroyed, and the life supporting part is soon gone too. His physical brain is pretty much useless at this point. The next day he breaths his last breath.

Is his whole life now useless? Since his physical brain is ruined? His state in the exit was pretty bad. No, his life would still have been of great value, all his experience and information has been stored in his Total Selfs database. Nothing is lost.

This is important: He was CONSCIOUSNESS experiencing PMR, human life and thus the LIMITATIONS of the physical brain. At the moment he dies he is no longer depended on his physical brain, it is history. The limitations is gone, included every illness that affected him in the physical. His mental clarity is no longer blocked by the brain and its condition. He is free.

It is best to see consciousness as the primary, and the brain as the secondary. The brain is just an instrument, it is the control centre of the physical body. It enables us to experience the physical with all its good feedback mechanisms.

Life review can be seen as an evaluation, and conclusion.

One can experience the up's and down's, all the important decisions, the crucial moments of ones life. One also experience all the pain and sadness we inflicted on others, to really see what one had done. It is to learn and come to terms with that life experience, conclude that life and look forward.

All our thoughts do affect each others, our thoughts can essential change information of the receiver, the degree we are shielded from thoughts depends and many things.

Given enough mental energy and focus, both positive and negative, thought-forms occurs. One can see them as an after-image of strong emotion, the result of malicious thought, or more. The thoughts can actual take form, hence the name.

Can you imagine the thought-form/thoughts surrounding this Earth? It must be a quite noisy and overwhelming thing to be affected by. *Red Alert, raise shields!* (Star trek) :P

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Thanx for the example. I have a follow up question that kinda sidetracks what were talking about. Anyway i'll just ask :) What's the difference between sleeping and meditating? While sleeping your blocking out all thoughts. So why can't you visit some other realities while sleeping?
It is quite complex.

Basically, in sleep we experience different kinds of altered states of consciousness. Most common DREAMS. In dreams we experience the result of our daily thoughts, we experience our fears and desires. And then we learn lessons, from the experiences. In that state we experience many thoughts, but our reasoning is limited and our awareness is pretty dull.

Dreams can actually be classified as NPMR, because we are not in the PMR. The great difference by what we call "Other realites" and dreams is that the dream takes place in a either temporary VR, a subset VR dedicated to dreaming, or self-created VR. The bottom line is that we are not in a shared-consistent-rule-based VR. Though dreams can be shared it is quite rare, but it is possible to be in the same VR when dreaming.

Another aspect is lucid dreaming, being lucid in a dream means one recognise it's a dream and become aware of it, or in other words, the awareness heightens. It is also possible to further increase the awareness from a lucid dream to OBE, but was is happening is better described as tuning in to another VR, a more consistent and shared VR.

As for meditation. There are literally hundreds of different techniques, and different types of states one can enter from meditation.

The meditation I am more familiar with is about having absolutely no thoughts. It can be quite hard, and it differs when there is too much thought-noise. It should be easier to get in the state of no thoughts after some training, but it is possible to experience the state without prior training or experience.

What happens after your thoughts cease to permeate you is that you experience just being. You are a point of consciousness, in nothingness or "the void". It is a very interesting experience as one reach a state of pure bliss.

I have so far experienced that twice, the first time was without effort and a little spontaneous. The second time was while mediation to theta-wave brain-entrainment sound.

If you want to give it a try, you could try to use binaural beat. It can helps the process of changing the brain-wave pattern to something else. Tom is quite an expert in this field since he pioneered the research with Robert Monroe and others.

Search for Hemi-Synch or Binaural Beat Theta on google.


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 Post subject: Re: A question
PostPosted: Tue Sep 22, 2009 4:49 pm 
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Good job.

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