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PostPosted: Mon May 24, 2010 7:15 am 
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7yIu37RgDE
Respect for Life:
This charming clip of Tom and Dennis was filmed in New York.
They discuss the subtle changes in being they acquired due to their experiences
at Robert Monroe's "lab" at Whistlefield.

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PostPosted: Mon May 24, 2010 9:06 am 
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This is very charming Donna (and Keith). Thank you All.
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PostPosted: Mon May 24, 2010 9:43 am 
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I loved this. I wish there was more of this kind of thing.

It brings up an interesting topic of not killing other beings. I also try not to kill anything. It drives all my friends crazy that I leave the mud daubers alone. But I do have an all out war with grasshoppers. They invade my garden in the spring by the hundreds. I always tell them I'm sorry right before I kill them. Does that help?

I have some rats in my outbuilding right now. I don't know what to do to get them out. I don't want to poison them both because that is a horrible way to day and because there are a lot of owls in the area. Any suggestions?


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PostPosted: Mon May 24, 2010 9:53 am 
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Sainbury-

Dennis/Tom can answer this one more in detail, but I remember Dennis telling us that he has a mouse now and then at his cabin, and he does the same thing with them as he does with the wasps, he communicates with them and gives them a chance to leave, before he must trap them for health reasons.

By the way, they are more of these clips to come...


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PostPosted: Mon May 24, 2010 10:05 am 
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Great news on more clips Keith.

I have ask the rats to leave, but they like that building :( I also got a spray that is supposed to be irritating to them which hasn't worked either.


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PostPosted: Mon May 24, 2010 10:14 am 
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Do you have cats, cats like rats. :)
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I love this clip too. My wife gives me a hard time about catching and releasing the critters that find their way into the house. She has no such mercy although, if I'm home, she will point them out to me so I can get them. I have always been that way. I hate killing anything I don't have to. I like Dennis' idea about communicating their options to them before making the move. Even when I'm riding my mountain bike I try to dodge any bugs if I see them on the trail. One time someone told me they don't mind swatting them since it's releasing them to evolve to a higher level sooner. I don't know about that but I do feel better helping them out.

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PostPosted: Mon May 24, 2010 12:20 pm 
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I learned from living in the desert that a jack rabbit isn't worth dying over, many single car accidents come from swerving to miss a jack rabbit, or other wildlife. Having said that, I prefer not killing too although as man of the house that has been my only option really, for the really scary stuff. I have caught and released too when possible.
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PostPosted: Mon May 24, 2010 1:32 pm 
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Dennis/Tom can answer this one more in detail, but I remember Dennis telling us that he has a mouse now and then at his cabin, and he does the same thing with them as he does with the wasps, he communicates with them and gives them a chance to leave, before he must trap them for health reasons.
Good to see this, as I tried the same thing just a few weeks ago. I was showering, and a bumblebee buzzed into the bathroom through the open top window, and flew down to the window-sill. The way back out is to go back up and through the open light, but all the bee could think to do was to keep aimlessly bumping up against the frosted glass by the sill. It would have taken a long time to achieve this by trial and error, or expired in the attempt, as they usually do. Added to which, one feels more vulnerable to stinging insects on the loose when naked and wet in the shower! So, with some new-found confidence in consciousness communication, I went into meditative state and put myself in the bee's head, imagining its vision of the lighted window glass, and intended for it to fly up, up, up....and then out through the opening at the top. After just a few seconds, it did just that! Not a statistically significant proof, of course, but just a few minutes later, with me still in the shower, either the same or another bee came in as before. I did the same thing, and this time, the bee went straight up and out, with no delay!

No proof of anything, of course, but I was mightily pleased with myself, and my confidence boosted further!

I asked Tom in a PM about whether I was right or wrong to take specimens when trying to identify ant and other insect species (many of which have to be studied dead under a microscope) for recording/conservation purposes, and he said it was OK, providing that the intent was caring (conservation) and that no more than necessary were killed.

The clip sounds good, will look at it asap.

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PostPosted: Mon May 24, 2010 1:40 pm 
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Alas Bette I have 4 cats and there is a pair of barred owls in the neighborhood. I still have quite a rat problem.

My mom used to catch wasps, bees whatever with her hands and release them. I have never been that brave. But I do successfully communicate with my animals sometimes.


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Well, rats are people too. ;) We're still working on people understanding that people are just people, but once that is done, then this other can be focused on. ;)
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Arthur: "Added to which, one feels more vulnerable to stinging insects on the loose when naked and wet in the shower! "

You had me in stitches over this old chum. I love you British and your way with words!

I would say you had an effect on the bees there. I do the same thing with my dogs sometimes, getting them to go to the bathroom or come back in when necessary. I try not to abuse this since it seems I'm trying to impose control over them and their free will (as they are slightly more evolved than bumblebees!) When bees buzz near me outside I will (LOVINGLY!) ask them to buzz along and not bother me. No fear, as I think that's important to not arouse a fear response in them.

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One cannot be too careful when naked and wet in showers, Ramon! ;)

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I'm usually naked when I'm in the shower, I'm just saying.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3P36dTa-zpI

Tom and Dennis continued....

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