Watched until 2:40 as you said, no real argument and a bunch of assertion. It's already been explained to you how free will is defined in MBT and how it fits into the framework of a VR - which is not the framework of reality that Sam is making his logical deductions from, nor is it the free will we are talking about. Do you think the argument is that we're saying there are no influencing factors when making decisions inside a VR?
I didn't say watch until 2:40, I said pay special attention until 2:40. And just listen to what Harris says, “genius”. He said: “The problem is “free will” is just a non-starter philosophically and scientifically […], unlike many other illusions there’s no way you can describe the universe so as to make sense of the notion of “free will”.” And if you think he just means the physical universe, then listen to the next sentence: “Free will as a concept is so incoherent that it cannot be mapped onto any conceivable reality.” It’s true that he often illustrates the incoherence of “free will” by referring to neuro-science, but if you had a three-digit IQ, you would understand that his explanation (“[…] either our wills are determined by a long chain of prior causes and we are not responsible for them, or they are determined by some random influences, and we are not responsible for them.”) applies to any conceivable reality (as he himself explicitly says). I can assure you that Sam’s position (as with all other prominent philosophers) is that the phrase “free will” does not refer to any coherent concept. Just as I can assure you that Sam is so infinitely smarter than you that it’s ridiculous. In fact, comparing Sam Harris with you is like comparing John Nash with Donald Trump… ;)
Who said it can't help a kid tortured in a basement?
As though the discussion was about can it or can’t it… (My next facepalm.) I’ll make it even easier. Has there ever been a child tortured to death by a psychopath? The answer: yes. Now the question: Why didn’t the system intervene? Oh yeah, I get it, because it’s good for the general spiritual growth – when we hear about such a case, it will sensitize us. So the system will allow such horror for the greater good. And with your caveman cynicism you find nothing strange about the price that the child has to pay here…
Obviously it's not always going to intervene in every instance where something can go wrong
Now, that’s a cute euphemism for the examples I gave (flaying, torturing of children)…
The decisions made by the LCS are contextual to situations, people, future outcomes, and the respect for free will.
So let me get this straight. If your child gets kidnapped and a psycho does some sick things to it – believe it or not, but we live in a world where such kidnappings and torturings have happened – and the system does not help the kid get out, you will explain it to yourself by saying what the LCS does is “contextual to situations, people, future outcomes, and the respect for free will”? Hahahah… Hahaha… ;)) Well, actually I should not laugh, it’s a serious matter. But if it wasn’t so sad, I would say that’s just majestic… ;)
Imagine being incapable of understanding what's being said to you for multiple pages and then un-ironically making this comment.
Yeah, your thoughts are so deep and profound, so complicated… Hahaha ;)) But yes, I got your point. The system allows such horrors to happen for the greater good. So when the child is tortured, the system weighs up whether it should help – it looks “contextual” to the situation, to the future outcomes and respects the “free will”. Did I summarize your vague generalities well, or did I strawman you again… ;)
Look. If someone has quite limited intellectual capacities like in your case, I am usually not condescending at all. After all, if someone is dense, it’s not their fault. But you are not just painfully dense, you are also aggressive and dishonest. A combination which I sincerely despise. And the fact that this forum attracts people like you says something terrible about how things are going here. Not that I care much, but before I leave here for good, I thought I should use my illusionary “free will” to give a general feedback. You know, “feedback mechanisms”… ;))
Now, I want to say something to all of you. To put it mildly, I am quite disappointed in this forum. And not only because there are clowns like Human+ around here. It’s the general attitude that is being expressed towards people with differing views. It appears to me like quite a cultish place. Sadly, the only thing Sainbury and I agree on, is that I should move on. And that’s what I will do. I have posted now my question in the Fireside thread.
Please, don’t bother to write any more about “free will” or my other critique of the MBT. I am leaving for good and I won’t even read the next post here. After all, my whole stay seems a complete waste of time… Anyway, bye to everyone civilized here. Peace.