I equate “free will” with randomness and probabilities. I consider randomness and probability to be synonymous absent evidence to the contrary.IvanD wrote:
1. Reality could be a digital system indeed – I do not have any problem with that assumption.
2. I do not have a problem with the assumption that our universe might be just one of a large number of reality frames and that the whole thing (the LCS) is structured the way Tom describes either.
3. There simply is no such thing as “free will”:
4. If this is a probabilistic reality – indeed one possible interpretation of quantum physics – then the system produces all the time statistical patterns (“information”) on a micro level. And our mental processes would be fundamentally based on those statistical patterns. What “entropy” is then to be reduced there?
5. Well, I will grant you that for some reason the system – as I mentioned already – might be interested to increase its information density, which would mean that it would strive towards deterministic patterns. But why it should want that (and how it would work) is absolutely unclear. And the system’s wish to do so would be – ironically – also fundamentally based on its own underlying probabilistic patterns.
6. Let’s say my avatar here is being operated by a consciousness that is outside this reality frame (I am perfectly familiar with this MBT assumption and it is a coherent one!). My operating consciousness would still not have anything like “free will”. Its functioning would still be a process that consists of either deterministic (causation) patterns, probabilistic patterns, or random acts. None of those possibilities can be best described as “free will”… We are talking here about universally applying logic – whether digital reality or not.
7. The system could have both determinism and randomness. The processing of the system could be a mixture of determinism and randomness (which is to say that part of the changes of state do not happen causally, but randomly). But how does this get you “free will”? And if there is something we do not understand yet in this context, what could it theoretically be?
8. I will offer you what I have heard many people offer as definition of “free will” in the context of such discussions. It goes roughly like that: “’Free will’ is the freedom to make choices based on your own mental processing – without the influence of coercive outside forces.” In other words, as long as you are not somehow coerced to decide something, you have a more or less narrow space for own decision making.
9. This definition (and general way of thinking of it) simply does not work. Here is why. If your act of choice making was completely “free” of prior causation, then it would be random. If it was based on causation (which is to say part of a causal chain of events in your mind – a causal mental process), then it would be deterministic. And if your mental process that led to a particular choice of yours was a mixture of both determinism/causality and randomness – it would still not be “free will”. And if your mental process constitutes probabilistic patterns – then that is what it is: probabilistic patterns. None of those possibilities can be fittingly described as “free will”…
10. Except perhaps if you equate “free will” with randomness, which is to say mental activity that is “free” of prior causation. But I don’t think that is what people mean by “free will”.
Probable answer: “Free will operates in all units of consciousness. The [Man] Avatar operates within that degree. Its constrained by time and space. …..Genetic heritage [for example] must bring about question[s] involving free will and determinism and the nature of reasoning itself. Reasoning is the result of mental or psychic processes functioning in a space time context and lack of available knowledge. It depends upon conscious thinking unique to human problem solving methods. Thoughts are mental activity sealed to space time terms like mental edifices built to certain dimensions only. Your thoughts make you human. You reason out your position otherwise free will would have no meaning in a physical framework. The reasoning mind is necessary, effective and suitable for the physical existence and free will.”