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Author:  Somebody [ Tue Sep 11, 2018 12:40 am ]
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Last night I dreamt that I was part of a Chimpancee group of 4, that I was able to imitate them so well that they thought I was also a Chimp.

Is that an evolutive, or an involutive dream?
Hi again Dinah!

I was browsing through the various threads before going to bed and came across this question of yours. I realize it's an old post and you may perhaps have forgotten about it or even lost interest in getting a response. But since I've had similar off-the-wall dreams like this myself I decided to give it a shot. Disclaimer: I am not a dream interpretation expert!

That being said, here goes: To see a monkey in your dream can symbolize deceit. It can also symbolize insight and intuition, but within the context of what you describe (the fact that you're imitating the monkeys) it would seem reasonable to discard insight and intuition as these are both traits that, unlike deceit, are hard to "imitate". Additionally, to see a monkey in your dream can symbolize that those around you are working to advance their own interest. This can relate to the previously mentioned aspect of 'deception' being involved somehow.

Based on all this, I would venture to say that you felt like -or perhaps really were- in some situation (work?) wherein you were surrounded by people who are deceitful and self-centered. And although you yourself are not like that at all, you played along just to get along by pretending to agree with or act like the others. And they believed it!

Alternatively, monkeys indicate an immature attitude, a playful nature and the mischievous side of your personality. Same scenario as before, except in this case you were pretending to go along with the others out of playful mischievousness. Only you can fill in the blanks here. As to whether it was evolutive or involutive: how did it make you feel? I personally don't think most dreams necessarily have to affect you in either direction.

How did I do? Should I open my own Psychic Reading Service ...or keep my day job?😊

All the best!

http://www.dreammoods.com/dreamdictionary/m3.htm
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Author:  Sainbury [ Tue Sep 11, 2018 10:04 am ]
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Most of the time the material things in your dreams don't symbolize anything. A lot of times the entities in charge of dreams never incarnated in this PMR. So they don't know a washing machine from a chair. I say this because I got such a dream. I was putting clothes into a door into a chair at which point I said in the dream, "This isn't a washing machine, you know!" And a voice came back to me, "Just keep going."

Notice in your dreams the decisions you make. Those decisions are coming from your being level, (unless you are lucid dreaming,) and will give you a clue as to your QoC. The rest is just window dressing. And even the characters in your dreams are largely unimportant. Many years ago I went from all the characters in my dreams being people I could recognize to just unknown characters. This was after I realized that the personalities of people had been switched in one of my dreams. I used to think all the strange things in my dreams were just glitches. But after some years I realized they were clues.

Author:  dinah [ Tue Sep 11, 2018 5:39 pm ]
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Somebody: I am amazed at your analytic capacity! It is true that I do participate in a group, that for some reasons I am forced to, go down to their level, appear as similar to them, and they see me as though I would be like them.
Thank you so much for your bright comment !

Author:  dinah [ Tue Sep 11, 2018 5:44 pm ]
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Linda, thanks for your comments, but I didn´t really get what you meant.

Author:  Sainbury [ Tue Sep 11, 2018 5:46 pm ]
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What didn't you get?

Author:  dinah [ Wed Sep 12, 2018 5:10 pm ]
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Linda
-What do you mean by "the entities in charge of dreams"?

- Why do decisions in dreams tell you about quality of consciousness?

- Most of my dreams are about trying to arrive somewhere but there are always problems on the way which don´t allow me to arrive. I have this type of dream almost every night.

Author:  Sainbury [ Wed Sep 12, 2018 5:48 pm ]
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The part of the LCS that creates the dream virtual realities. I believe that some are tailored specifically for individuals. Others are just formulaic. If you don't like the dreams you are getting you can tell your guides that you need something else. If you are getting dreams that are creating more fear for you than less, then you can change them. Or if you feel like the dreams aren't challenging you in a good way, then ask for something else. Most people just go along with whatever they get.

You act from your being level in dreams and not from your intellect. So if you do something selfish, or are angry then that is a good clue to who you really are without your social mask. And it is a good indication on what you need to work on.
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- Most of my dreams are about trying to arrive somewhere but there are always problems on the way which don´t allow me to arrive. I have this type of dream almost every night.
I call those frustration dreams, and I don't appreciate them at all. If I start getting them I ask my guides for something else. They may also be problem solving dreams, but as I am almost never able to solve them they just frustrate me. I've had lots of dreams where I was in danger and couldn't get the phone to work, or I was a cashier and couldn't figure out the cash register.

Author:  Human+ [ Wed Sep 12, 2018 7:54 pm ]
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F.

Dream dictionaries are pure nonsense, like daily horoscope readings. They have no logical basis and vary from every single other website claiming to know the same.

There is no black and white interpretation of individual symbols. They vary greatly and are always based in context.

Author:  dinah [ Thu Sep 13, 2018 3:55 pm ]
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Thanks for your help, Linda !

Human: I agree that dream encyclopedias are pure nonsense and interpretation depends on context.

Author:  lnv [ Tue Oct 30, 2018 6:30 pm ]
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Hi everyone, I'm new here. I've been a fan of Tom's for a while now but for the last few years I've slipped down many a rabbit-hole but I'm happy to say I'm back and I'm going to strive harder to understand and practice what MBT is all about. So, to join in on this topic, I actually watched the top linked video yesterday and took some notes. Someone might find these useful (feel free to correct me if I'm wrong somewhere):

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1. LET GO of the physical state (i.e. get into something like a meditative state)
2. GET OUT OF YOUR HEAD: Get into the BEING level. A stable state is required and you can stay there as long as you like
3. LOSE FEAR: Find the fears by looking at the Ego. If you have a feeling, response or reaction that isn't full of love, peace, caring, smiles etc - THAT is your ego. Anxiousness, annoyance, negative things are all Ego. Work on them all, it may even take a decade! Watch your choice at all times.
4. At that stage, when Ego is nullified as best as you can, and you recognise that we are in a VR with different data streams; it just takes an INTENT to experience a new data stream. When your intent says nothing but "I wanna go back there!" (No hope, no fear, no ego, no expectations), it's just a matter of seconds to get out!
5. Then you usually learn how to work with reality, instead of becoming a bifurcated reality (there and here) you can learn to live in one reality, being connected to 3-4 data streams all the time.

Developing all the above actually gets you into the place of being empathetic, caring and altruistic with others.

Not necessary to put on a yellow robe, sit in a monastery etc. Better to work where you are to deal with all the natural challenges.

Your spouse is the best mirror to see the ego because you are dealing with each other on a deep basis. Ego is tested through relationships. Monasteries are useless in that regard.

Just live your life aware, in the moment, make good choices.

You've got the rest of your life to do it, so why not?!

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I also made some shorthand notes from an image I saw concerning this:

LET GO (send the intellect away):
No fear
No hope
No thoughts
No analysis
No expectations
No beliefs

LET BE
Don't compare events
Don't judge events

RECORD
Accept results impartially
Collect evidence

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So those are my notes which I can try to memorize and make more real. But, nullifying the Ego may take some time, and I want to experience an OOBE sooner rather than later. Is this where Monroe's hemisync files come into play? Can anybody suggest an actual working method of "getting there"? Traditional meditation? TM or Vipissana meditation? Or can I get there listening to hemisync patterns? (Sorry if this is already in the book, quite hard to find in a Kindle!)
Much thanks.

Author:  Martin_AU [ Sun Nov 25, 2018 7:34 pm ]
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Is this where Monroe's hemisync files come into play? Can anybody suggest an actual working method of "getting there"? Traditional meditation? TM or Vipissana meditation? Or can I get there listening to hemisync patterns?
There is a book of techniques called "The Phase" written by Michael Raduga.

https://obe4u.com/lucid-dreaming-books-free/

There are download links there to his book in various formats, including MP3 audio book.

Michael does not attempt to formulate a Reality Theory, he simply presents a collection of anecdotes as well as comprehensive techniques in order to try and "Get there"

Sincerely,

Martin

Author:  Sainbury [ Mon Nov 26, 2018 1:46 pm ]
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But, nullifying the Ego may take some time, and I want to experience an OOBE sooner rather than later. Is this where Monroe's hemisync files come into play? Can anybody suggest an actual working method of "getting there"? Traditional meditation? TM or Vipissana meditation? Or can I get there listening to hemisync patterns? (
Really trying to wrangle your ego and fear takes many lifetimes. Just try to make some slow and steady progress.

I think the wake to sleep method is the most successful for many people. Google it to get detailed instructions. Being a proficient meditator is a help. Any method that works for you is good.

Author:  lnv [ Tue Nov 27, 2018 12:20 am ]
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Thanks for the tips. I have watched Part 1 of this presentation (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0FuXKHzE2c) that Tom gave at the Monroe Institute, which is all about this topic and probably prerequisite knowledge for anyone wanting to do this. I will watch the other 5 too of course.

I have come across Michael Raduga before but I couldn't do it in his method. I like Tom's long-drawn-out plan of making this a part of one's life for the remaining foreseeable future, so I'm being cautious and taking it slow-ish! That said, I did come close to an OBE this morning by a YouTube induction which was focused on loving intents (which I know have to come from a Being level anyway) foremost and was not bad. And Tom says to use the tools if you can but lose them like training wheels when you get better at it. So, thanks, I'm getting there!

Author:  Sainbury [ Tue Nov 27, 2018 8:38 am ]
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Tom did this post on how to grow the quality of your consciousness:

What’s the purpose of life? Well, the purpose of existence is to grow up, to become love… get rid of your fear and ego. That’s the purpose. That’s why we’re here and this is our schoolhouse. How do you go about doing that? You do it with your intent. You make choices. You have 1,000 choices to make every day, and particularly I’m talking about the choices you have with interactions with other people. You can make those choices in a way that helps you evolve, moves you toward love, lowers your entropy… increases the value of your information; or you can make choices that can go in the other way… de-evolve, they go the way of fear, go the way of self centeredness, ego. Those things de-evolve you and increase your entropy. So, we get these choices and we get feedback immediately. If we have a fear based life, we generally get kind of unhappy, we’re not too pleased, life is difficult and unpleasant. So that’s the feedback trying to tell you wake up and go the other direction."

Yes, there is too much to learn (at the being level), too much growth required to accomplish it all in a single PMR lifetime. X may be larger or smaller based on how quickly and effectively you are able to learn. Maximizing your growth rate - the evolution of your consciousness -- requires three mutually interdependent things to work together -- much like the mutual interdependence of wisdom, experience, and knowledge as discussed above.

The first is awareness. Awareness of yourself, of your intent, of your consciousness, of your fear, ego, and beliefs, of your potential choices, of what is important and what is not, of how you interact with your environment. Awareness of your environment including other people, being present in the moment, being aware of what others are thinking and feeling, as well as of their needs and how you might affect them, being aware of a larger reality and your place and function in it, of where you are going and how you are going to get there. Awareness of the dynamics of relationship from the perspective of the big picture. That is a lot of awareness to develop.

The second is to let go of fear and ego (wants needs, desires, beliefs, and expectations) -- from this, competency, focus, trust, and effectiveness develops to allow the being to optimize the productivity of its interactions and understand the purpose of its existence.

The third is to embrace change and uncertainty -- make a constant and consistent effort to change, to grow up, to internalize, absorb, integrate, and organize the results of one and two above into a new way of being, a new perspective. a new reality in which a new you exists. Your reality evolves and expands as you evolve and expand. This last one requires a long term view, a desire to improve yourself more than your situation, gumption, stick-to-itiveness, drive, energy, and focus over a lifetime.

That's all. A short list. Get all that done and you will maximize the value of your daily experience and be off to a good start.

http://www.my-big-toe.com/forums/viewto ... ate#p12690

Author:  dinah [ Wed Nov 28, 2018 1:32 pm ]
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INV: I think you did get the basics

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