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PostPosted: Fri May 24, 2019 4:13 am 
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How does a character remain low entropy in the face of primitive behaviour?
Once you have woken up to what this is but only a few characters can see it, is there any rational point in trying to gain quality through playing your character ? I can’t see the boot strapping progress at play.
I see only pain and suffering.


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PostPosted: Fri May 24, 2019 4:37 am 
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How does a character remain low entropy in the face of primitive behaviour?
Once you have woken up to what this is but only a few characters can see it, is there any rational point in trying to gain quality through playing your character ? I can’t see the boot strapping progress at play.
I see only pain and suffering.
The only thing you will ever see are aspects of yourself. In a way, if you see pain and suffering in others, you are seeing an earlier version of yourself.

What I would ask myself in such a situation is...would I change myself in the past knowing what I know now, knowing that I would not know what I know now, and would not be who I am now, if I hadn’t experienced that experience.

A simpler and easier way of understanding this is to understand that your need for others to behave the way you want them to is a manifestation of your ego. This doesn’t mean that you must subject yourself to their will. It means that you can’t help those who are unwilling to help themselves.

To learn “yourself” is the best gift you can give to the world.


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PostPosted: Fri May 24, 2019 6:43 am 
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How does a character remain low entropy in the face of primitive behaviour?
Once you have woken up to what this is but only a few characters can see it, is there any rational point in trying to gain quality through playing your character ? I can’t see the boot strapping progress at play.
I see only pain and suffering.
It’s very hard to tell who is manifesting the higher
entropy in any scenario, so always check your own intent
with humility.

If what you are perceiving is high entropy, begin with
accepting that high entropy persons are part of
your play space for a purpose, to learn from your
example.

Don’t try to pretend to be lower entropy than you
actually are. Rather, open your awareness to a wider
decision space and then do what comes naturally,
experimenting with different approaches.

You have a right to seek comfort and joy. Part of this
is to detach from the neurosis of over attention on
the suffering of others.

Part of this is to separate
yourself from unprofitable situations.

Part of this
is to invest in your physical and financial strength.

Heal and integrate the physical, practical and spiritual
aspects of your self, first.

Then work on your integration with your house
mates. Then work, then neighbour and so on.

It might help to discuss specific situations.

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PostPosted: Fri May 24, 2019 11:03 am 
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Because you can be the kindergartner or the teacher. It's your choice.

Or if you are a kindergartner, be the one who befriends the new kid and shows him around, not the one who knocks the new kid down and runs off laughing.


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PostPosted: Fri May 24, 2019 11:26 am 
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It’s better to be the teacher.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LhMpZHpK9uk

Just sayin ;)


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PostPosted: Fri May 24, 2019 12:36 pm 
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Please take this as friendly banter, not challenge, to clarify
what is implied but not explicitly said perhaps.

One thing possibly to beware of is what Chogyam Trungpa
labelled “spiritual materialism”.

I am wondering if you set your intention to play the role of teacher in
your interactions, there may be a risk of encouraging ego to
pollute the optimal flow of intent action feedback.

Rather, I would frame it like:

- difficult situation presents itself
- X is how I normally react
- Y or Z are alternative reactions I am aware of
- W is part of the decision space I am not aware of

Reading, YouTubes, travel, meditation etc expand your Y/Z decision
space, and reduce your W space

If X appears to not produce a profitable result, you
could attempt to divine a lower entropy reaction, form
the intent, attempt to action it, then assess
the feedback.

You could also just experiment with alternatives
as Brownian motion, and see how it goes.

A teachable moment may arise from this, you may
evolve into a teacher, but I think that is the
caboose to the intent train, not the engine.

The intent to play the role of teacher, like many
“spiritual” pursuits, replaces material materialism
with spiritual materialism.

I can’t believe how preachy I come across.

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PostPosted: Fri May 24, 2019 6:01 pm 
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I appreciate your comments kroeran. We’re all just doing the best we can. We all want to help. :)


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Thanks for the feedback, I do take everything lightly, after all we are the same lousy species.
I don’t however agree with building a foundation on strengthening physical and financial gain. Capitalism is not conducive to QOC in my humble opinion. What I meant was, the sun will possibly burn out before we are able to reach the united low entropy state. “Possibly” but I suppose this is the psy principle.


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PostPosted: Fri May 24, 2019 9:24 pm 
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Physical strength refers to healthy diet and
exercise, sensor platform stuff.

If you are sickly, you will require support from
others in your playspace, rather than be a source
of support to others.

Your long term independence and strength becomes part of
your loving intent.

Same story for money. Prudence requires
education or training suitable to your talent
so that you can share the bills with family, housemates
or spouse, and support children if you
follow the common path.

Your financial independence and strength becomes
part of your loving intent.

Tom himself radiates independence and strength.

If you don’t approve of markets and the
private sector, there are equal opportunities
in the deep state ; - ), the path I followed.

There you can experience directly what happens
when normal human beings are given paychecks
without having to please a customer.

Antiestablishmentarianism is a painful mental place
to be. We can dig deeper into that if you are
ready for that conversation.

My general suggestion is that if you are not having
a good time, you may not be doing it right, as Tom
has said.

One form of spiritual reset is to pull back to what
Buddhists call Hinayana, which is a practise
that is more internally focused, self protective. This
is what I am pointing to as an option.

Once there is some order to your serenity,
turn your focus outward, Mahayana, which
is more interactive, explicitly compassion centred, see how
that goes. Catholicism, at its best, is a close cousin to this.

Beyond this is Tantra, spiritual off roading, stream
of conciousness intent, which in my mind is where
Tom starts from.

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PostPosted: Sat May 25, 2019 12:02 am 
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I’m still clinging to a lot of ego) I probably engaged in this problem because of that clinging. And no Catholicism is a cousin of no spiritual state. Unless that state is war and death. I defended an innocent at the cost of my 2nd ego ( my family and financial status) I’m not American like most of you so not sure if you are as aware of how much other nations see bigotry in American culture but I defended an individual homosexual against a fanatical religious member who was very highly valued and ranked within a large company, it felt right in my meditative state but was not received well in PMR.
Once again though, I only care because I can’t seem to let go of my attachment to my character.


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PostPosted: Sat May 25, 2019 6:13 am 
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That’s some serious SHIT (super high intensity training).

It appears to me you were given or stumbled on
a high level soul test, and you passed.

Rather than banking this big picture accomplishment with
justifiable pride, you
are feeling like an idiot for sticking your neck out and embarrassed that
your ego is suffering from the immediate consequences.

Now the test is dealing with the current challenge. There
are tricks to turn off these negative emotions, but
then there are the judgements and scolding from
spouse and family to deal with.

When I was in the middle of my material setback, one
thing that helped was a meditation of appreciation
for what I had.

I was suffering for money, but then I would see
a blind person or disabled person and think, I am
so lucky to only have money problems.

I would specifically thank the universe for my
ability to see, to walk, and so on.

Next I would try to focus on my decision space
and try to fix the material situation.

Few of us are at the level of being comfortable as
propertyless sexless monks. I don’t think we
should feel guilt for this. For most, money is about
independence and strength to care for our
loved ones and beyond. It is not a dirty thing.

Most commercial activity between willing
persons, when done honestly, is a cooperative act of compassion.
Thinking otherwise traps us in jealous socialism.

So what is called for is a radical consideration
of your decision space. Recovering from a setback
is part of the fun of the game, and constructs
a soul of exceptional quality.

And you have that big ass positive karma bomb
as wind in your sails.

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PostPosted: Sat May 25, 2019 7:43 am 
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Lol. Super high intensity training. I love it. Good points.

In my experience, although life challenges can be very difficult I’ve always ended up better off afterword. Circumstances don’t matter, what you do with the circumstances is what matters.


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SHIT was a Tom or Ted thing.

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We create our reality by choice. The dilemma presented in this thread is an example of the fear based struggle between intellectual level objective awareness and Being level subjective awareness. Objective reality is virtual and unique to the rule set of this PMR. Subjective reality is fundamental. Being level subjective awareness is fundamental to a higher quality of consciousness.


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Ok, thankyou for taking time to help. Can I digress and use this thread to ask some bigger questions please. Where are the parameters of consciousness? Single celled organisms? Quarks? Gluons? How low do you go? If I walk into the spare room in my house but there is a moth peeking out of a closet gap,
What does it comprehend? Does the program limit its rendering or does it work at full capacity for the moth? Can we also please discuss bells theorem again because I have spent months not getting anywhere with the implications of it. Or if anyone can pm me to talk about physics I would appreciate that too. I know it’s little picture logic but I need to start there to move forward. Without using categorisation of our characters as a cop out for poor growth, I am high functioning autistic and bipolar so I get obsessive thoughts ( in some ways it’s helpful because I can learn a lot too) but it’s also frustrating because I can’t control my mind very well.


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