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PostPosted: Sun Feb 28, 2021 5:28 pm 
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@Kroeran - What I am not sure how to handle effectively is when I discover that my intent was wrong retrospectively. What is your experience with this?

Didn’t see this before

The answer is easy. You shrug your shoulders and think “I am such an asshole”.

If you can let the spiritual materialism of thinking you are a super duper mega master of spiritual crap go, it doesn’t hurt so much.

The more you perceive yourself to be a spiritual moron the more you are an actual low entropy grand master.

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 Post subject: Re: sadness...
PostPosted: Tue May 04, 2021 2:46 pm 
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This really nailed it for me. I've been looking for a discussion like this. The "feeling that something is just very off", the "coldness of the system", feeling so alone, meaningless, it seems the only antidote is time and love?
I guess, for one thing, everything is very "off" right now -- it's thrown most people off their stride, even hermits like me. One thing I noticed about the MBT books is that Tom is addressing a rather generalized possible reader, and hitting at our notion of personal importance because, after all, ego is an inescapable part of the human personality construct. But it doesn't hurt to remember that he also said that there's no "here" and "over there" with PMR and NPMR. PMR is a virtual world within NPMR, which is where our consciousness actually resides. And we are all threads in the AUM totality, part of that LCS project. "Important" isn't a thing, meaning is in every experience, every thought, everything. Stuff to wonder about, be curious about, to love - warts and all - because love is a quality of thought, not a response to lovableness out there. Practically speaking, I do find structure in volunteering in our small community - it's a way to serve and keep up contact. Anyway, IMO and all that, and a drop in the conversation...


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PostPosted: Wed May 05, 2021 10:44 am 
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Shelford I am going to be a little picky here. It may refine your understanding, but if not ignore it.

PMR is a virtual world within NPMR, which is where our consciousness actually resides. PMR is a virtual reality and is a function of the LCS.

because love is a quality of thought Love is expressed by quality of being and quality of Intent.

ego is an inescapable part of the human personality construct

Intuitive Soul and Friends with Laurie Huston – June 28, 2013

Laurie: Can we really get rid of our ego? Is there going to be a point in our existence where there is no such thing as an ego? Or does our ego just evolve with us?

Tom: No, we really can get rid of that ego, or at least almost get rid of that ego. Now getting rid of the ego doesn’t mean you no longer know who you are. You know, you have to pin your name on your shirt and look in the mirror to see who you are! That’s really not what ego is. Ego isn’t just an awareness of self. You can be self aware and not have an ego. The ego is defined in the “self” analyzing, judging, and doing things to make life the way “it” wants it - to adjust life to suit “it.” It is the analytical judging part of you that’s always trying to configure your reality to be more like you like it. It’s not, “I am.” That’s not ego that’s just an awareness of self. That’s not what we mean by ego. That, of course, is not a problem. You need to know who you are, and have an identity, and have a history; all that’s fine. Ego is an attachment to making things different in a way that it suits you better. The ego is, “I want”; “I need.” And yes, you can get rid of that. Ego is derived from fear. Fear is all about you. When you’re afraid, obviously, it’s about you. You’re afraid. Even if you say, “Well, I’m afraid for somebody else.” It’s still about you. When it’s about you it’s pointing at you. You’re focused on yourself. That’s why fear creates ego. It’s “self” focusing on how you manipulate the world to be more like you want it. And that is what’s not productive.

More here: viewtopic.php?f=19&t=8483&p=75380#p75380


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PostPosted: Wed May 05, 2021 11:48 am 
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Shelford I am going to be a little picky here. It may refine your understanding, but if not ignore it.
Go for it!
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PMR is a virtual world within NPMR, which is where our consciousness actually resides. PMR is a virtual reality and is a function of the LCS.
Ok, thank you - I think I follow this and was expressing it badly, but I'll think some more. By "world" I also meant "reality" but in this forum I need to learn the language. I am starting the trilogy again, but I'm pretty sure Tom said our consciousness resides in NPMR. That certainly expresses my experience as best I can interpret it.
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because love is a quality of thought Love is expressed by quality of being and quality of Intent.
No disagreement here. I was only trying to say that the love we aspire to is a quality rather than an emotion (which may be a debatable point and I'd be delighted to hear some other experience on this). But certainly it is more than "in thought" - if not expressed it's imaginary. And in the language of MBT it is absolutely the measure of quality of being and intent.
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ego is an inescapable part of the human personality construct

Intuitive Soul and Friends with Laurie Huston – June 28, 2013

Laurie: Can we really get rid of our ego? Is there going to be a point in our existence where there is no such thing as an ego? Or does our ego just evolve with us?

Tom: No, we really can get rid of that ego, or at least almost get rid of that ego. Now getting rid of the ego doesn’t mean you no longer know who you are. You know, you have to pin your name on your shirt and look in the mirror to see who you are! That’s really not what ego is. Ego isn’t just an awareness of self. You can be self aware and not have an ego. The ego is defined in the “self” analyzing, judging, and doing things to make life the way “it” wants it - to adjust life to suit “it.” It is the analytical judging part of you that’s always trying to configure your reality to be more like you like it. It’s not, “I am.” That’s not ego that’s just an awareness of self. That’s not what we mean by ego. That, of course, is not a problem. You need to know who you are, and have an identity, and have a history; all that’s fine. Ego is an attachment to making things different in a way that it suits you better. The ego is, “I want”; “I need.” And yes, you can get rid of that. Ego is derived from fear. Fear is all about you. When you’re afraid, obviously, it’s about you. You’re afraid. Even if you say, “Well, I’m afraid for somebody else.” It’s still about you. When it’s about you it’s pointing at you. You’re focused on yourself. That’s why fear creates ego. It’s “self” focusing on how you manipulate the world to be more like you want it. And that is what’s not productive.
Thank you, I appreciate the points. Tom's clarification of the difference between ego and "awareness of self" is really a help. I suspect that there is a degree of inevitability about the ego overlay, though - if there wasn't, would we be in this learning space to grow up past it? But the point is an important one. And thank you for the quote, it's perfect. There's a huge amount on this site and the links to get through, and I'm late to the party.

Please feel free to be picky ☺️ - I greatly value your time and experience here. Apart from being a "Big TOE" this is also a new language and culture. Takes time to have it make sense in terms of one's own experience.
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GREAT conversation here - thank you for the link! My life experience has led me some little way along this path, but it's so clearly expressed here, and takes it always further. Are there more transcripts littered around? We have limited internet on our island, so ploughing through the videos is going to be a life-time project.
Many thanks again for taking the time, Sainbury.


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PostPosted: Thu May 06, 2021 9:25 am 
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Here is a thread where Tom talks about NPMR:
http://www.my-big-toe.com/forums/viewto ... ages#p4058

And here Tom talks about why we keep incarnating:
http://www.my-big-toe.com/forums/viewto ... vil#p77545


These are the transcripts I've done for the forum. I can't remember if anyone else has done any, but I don't think so.

The Implications of Virtual Reality for Humanity
viewtopic.php?f=267&t=11285&p=104823&hi ... y#p104823

R=I The Identity That Defines MBT Theory
viewtopic.php?f=19&t=11457&p=106537&hil ... ry#p106537

From Physics to Love to World Peace
viewtopic.php?f=19&t=11214&p=104169&hil ... ce#p104169

The Love and Low Entropy Connection
viewtopic.php?f=19&t=11193&p=104015&hil ... on#p104015

The Origins of Consciousness; a New Look at MBT
viewtopic.php?f=19&t=11073&p=102956&hil ... T#p102956

Is Technology the Solution to Positive Evolution?
http://www.my-big-toe.com/forums/viewto ... 596#p72596

Difference Between OBE, Remote Viewing, and Lucid Dreaming
http://www.my-big-toe.com/forums/viewto ... 637#p74637

Life Between Lives as Consciousness
http://www.my-big-toe.com/forums/viewto ... ess#p89259

Yorick von Fortinbras Interviews Tom
http://www.my-big-toe.com/forums/viewto ... 446#p75446

The Nature of Fears, Beliefs and Ego
http://www.my-big-toe.com/forums/viewto ... 206#p72206

Faith, Religion, and God in the Big Picture
http://www.my-big-toe.com/forums/viewto ... ure#p75275

Intellect Definition
http://www.my-big-toe.com/forums/viewto ... ION#p75358

The Man Who is Always Happy
http://www.my-big-toe.com/forums/viewto ... ppy#p75366

Binaural Beats: Unity North Atlanta Panel Discussion: Beyond the Physical Documentary Film
http://www.my-big-toe.com/forums/viewto ... on#p75239

Rulesets of other PMRs
http://www.my-big-toe.com/forums/viewto ... MRs#p75287

Tom Campbell: Interpretation of NPMR Experiences
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=p ... 0op3wlnegE
http://www.my-big-toe.com/forums/viewto ... 234#p80234

Post subject: Re: Eric Cunningham and TC:The Onus of Leading a Spiritual-Scientific Revolution
http://www.my-big-toe.com/forums/viewto ... 776#p81776

How to Focus Your Intent:
http://www.my-big-toe.com/forums/viewto ... 259&t=8469

Who are we in this reality
http://www.my-big-toe.com/forums/viewto ... 252#p75252


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 Post subject: Re: sadness...
PostPosted: Thu May 06, 2021 10:27 am 
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These are the transcripts I've done for the forum. I can't remember if anyone else has done any, but I don't think so.
Wow - thank you so much, and I join in the no doubt many others who have thanked you for taking the time to do the transcripts. This will be so helpful! Promising myself a chunk of time this (and every) afternoon on this.


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