With a fortuitous connection & correspondence with Gerik, I was tweaked in your direction and I thank him for that.
I purchased the books from the site and have made it deep into Book 1.
Just a quick background...
I have had an awakening over the last 2 years ranging from eliminating processed foods to meditation, experiences etc etc. This spiritual path was dormant for about 17-18 years from when I first starting delving into Monroe and had experiences that included full blown conscious vibrations during meditation and an unprovoked nighttime intermittent OBE. Why I didn't pursue it, I cannot say. Life got in the way, maybe unconscious fear. But it was always a "splinter in my mind"
I have delved into Yogi Bhajan, Mantras,
Obviously, Monroe's full trilogy (purchased the Gateway program - currently working with them)
Read a ton of Gurdjieff and Ouspensky, joined a Gurdjieff group
Self Enquiry/Atma Vichara trying to perceive that which is perceving
And read alot of other books
Nonetheless, and not to make this toooooo long an intro, since this awakening 2+ years ago I have had additional experiences, intermittent types, messages etc. I will save that for another time as I would appreciate any advice.
So here I am,
Increasing the Quality of consciousness, changing your being,
After reading in chapter 23 I am realizing how far I have come. Results are indeed very measurable to others, I guess I expect too much from myself.
Can u define Being for me in your words?
Gurdjieff speaks that in order to gain more knowledge your being must rise with your knowledge otherwise the knowledge attained is just words.
So How does one raise their being?
I have seen measurable results just from the will to grow consciously and spiritually. Does it just happen.
A Gurdjieff group leader said, to remember oneself or to become more conscious of oneself is something that is given to you. So its more of a passive note, To be more of a receiver? he also says its a 'how to' question. We don't know how to do it. ?
You said, no external practice, no activity will DO it for you. No one can give you enlightenment.
Becoming more conscious, loving, understanding, meditating, not expressing negative emotions, not internally considering, reducing ego, being aware of involuntary tensions, changing your perception, lowering entropy, plugging leaks etc etc. I am always in pursuit of fundamental internal change, things I am trying to DO. When I am aware.
BUT, these are things to DO. If changing the quality of your being(and the quality of your consciousness) has nothing to do with what you do and all about what you are. SO to change what you are? How is that accomplished without doing? But I have? I guess?....
Many things in the book resonate with me. You speak to my heart and your approach is amazingly straightforward. I have shed many belief traps so I stand here with an openmind.
I am tired of the spooky esoteric talk, the secretive knowledge groups, the talking in circles. In my group, granted it has not been long, I feel I am stagnant and given the approach, it will take forever at this pace to achieve what I set out to know by joining.
So I have come full circle to my original influence - Monroe
I get it, I don't need anyone. I have to do it. No one can give it to me. I'M Trying!
I want to Know, Not believe. I want to understand for myself and experience the larger reality but in a fully conscious, not hazy or groggy or intermittent state.
So I have tasted pudding, dipped into many springs which appear to be drinking from the same source.
Mantras, Monroe's cd's, sitting quietly focusing on myself(the witness), meditating focusing on my heart beat, void meditation. I don't know which approach to take or who's system to use. I have had experiences with all of the above.
I know it may sound like I am pushing too hard, trying to move too fast, but I have slowed down dramatically over the past 6 months. I have waited a month to post this until I got and have read a decent portion of MBT.
This may be the typical westerner 'HOW TO' question post.
Maybe it should be a more passive approach along with the will to grow, I am sure you were very excited and motivated back in the Labs in the 70's. No different than How I may feel. Well, you were really motivated. PUSHING HARD!
I feel fortunate to be able to converse with you in this environment(thank you for creating it), it is comparable to being able to speak with Bob Monroe himself.
I am grateful for your response
I will obviously keep reading......
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