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PostPosted: Fri May 15, 2009 1:16 am 
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There are many things about Tom's TOE that I found quite interesting, especially those that converged with my own thinking. As it happens, I approached that convergence from a different direction. He takes a very long time to get to the idea of our reality as something analogous to a simulation model running at a much slower clock speed than NPMR -- a simulation that can be stopped mid-way, adjusted, then started up again without the simulation itself registering the stop and reboot. Getting to that point (as a working hypothesis) can come very quickly to those of us who do computer simulation modeling as part of our professional work (in my case study of animal populations and individual behavior, esp. of large mammals).

I think I understand why Tom took readers the long way around to get to the simulation concept. But now I think he would do well to start at the end and sum up his main ideas into a single short volume, then lay out more clearly the methods by which readers can reach NPMR experiences themselves.

As I said, I derived the bare bones of a somewhat similar theory independently. But I was not able to test it even 1% as fully has he has by experiencing NPMR. So I was left very disappointed that he had not shown more about how the rest of us can bridge that gap.

I can also understand why Tom might be hesitant to describe his experiences in NPMR, lest this degenerate into mere entertainment. In that regard, Carlos Castaneda comes to mind. His initial books really seemed to offer keen insight. I especially resonated with the notion that the pursuit of knowledge cannot culminate with objective recordings and measurements of phenomena. Some phenomena must be experienced subjective if they are to be understood -- which is why I shifted the emphasis of my research on bears from highly abstract theorization and modelling to one-on-one interaction with black and grizzly bears in the wild [www.bear-viewing-in-alaska.info]
Unfortunately, after Carlos's 2nd or 3rd book, they seemed to degenerate into novels. (According to Amy Irving, of course, all were just novels.)

Nevertheless, I think Tom should be more to describe experiences in NPMR. Had it not been for some of that at the beginning of his first volume, I never would have read farther. It was not the idea of meat, but the scent of steak that draws people to the dinner table. Tom wafted scent in our direction. But once we sat down and worked our way through the books, we were still left hungry.

One of the first rules in writing good science is coupling theory with examples. When I write about methods of diplomatically interacting with bears, my methods would be meaningless to people if I didn't lace the narrative with numerous examples of how the methods were applied in case after case after case.

There are certainly ways to describe NPMR experiences without degenerating into entertainment. One is by providing knowledge of PMR that is not yet known here and now, such as equations for what Einstein called a Unified Field Theory -- which would presumably be one portion of TOE.

Or consider "demons." Are there, in NPMR, entities which somehow benefit from causing misery for humans in PMR? Is there any truth (in some sense) to the notion that "demons" milk us for some kind of spiritual energy, and that we release more of that energy when we suffer? Certainly, there have been numerous PMR cultures which believed that people could milk "energy" or "power" from fellow humans by making them suffer -- which is one reason why some Native American tribes tortured captives. I'm told that the same belief underlies torture in the Bedouin and Samuri cultures.

Or consider "dark matter" and "dark energy." Equations currently used to model the evolution of the universe following the Big Bang suggest that the matter we can detect in the universe is only a fraction what would be necessary to account for known gravitational effects. Is this "dark" (i.e., unmeasurable") matter in dimensions that we cannot detect or "vibrating at frequencies" above those we can detect?

At least since the time that Stewart and Betty White produced the BETTY BOOK and THE UNOBSTRUCTED UNIVERSE, people have been talking about non-living humans as existing at far higher frequencies than we can detect in PMR. Does this agree or disagree with what Tom has experienced or been told?

So too, if there are "dark energies", perhaps including "chi", can Tom offer insight about them, including his experiences of them in both PMR and NPMR?

As to demonic possession: when one ventures into NPMR, how vulnerable is one to getting stuck there and/or of having one's body hijacked? I knew on very smart, seemingly very sane lady, who tried OBE and ended up hearing voices all the time telling her all sorts of things. Brain malfunctioning or intrusion of NPMR into PMR?

Hopefully, Tom will eventually read this note and will respond. If and when that happens, I would consider writing out a much more systematic critique of his books -- not critique in the sense of criticism or one-up-manship, but in the sense, of "is this a valid summary of your main points? And if so, how would you fill in the following blanks, or respond to the following questions?"

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PostPosted: Fri May 15, 2009 6:07 am 
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I am a computer programmer and I didn't mind the pace of the book at all. I liked how he went from the bottom up to describe how this could be a feasible hypothesis, rather than just stating it right away - it would have felt like it lacked substance.

If Tom sees your post, he will probably reply but I wanted to throw my opinion in as well in the meantime.


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PostPosted: Fri May 15, 2009 6:13 am 
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L B,

In part, these forums are working towards the short concise summary that you mention. Working towards a collection of information that answers questions for a wide range of people. A monograph is of use only to the specialists that already have the background to understand and make use of it. How many people have the total background to fully understand MBT without all the discussion and round about information?

Just as a doctor has the Hippocratic dictum of 'first do no harm' to follow, Tom follows, in my opinion and understanding, the same approach with regards to providing information that is counter productive in terms of the development of the quality of readers as individuated beings. It has been discussed on these forums that you cannot tell people how to get to NPMR in so many words. It is so variable depending upon the limiting beliefs of the individual. Nor can you tell them what they will find there as it is so dependent upon their personal experience and beliefs which are the origin for what they will interpret their experience upon. All subjective. How many cannot get 'out of body' because they expect things to go like Robert Monroe said? How many are confused when their experience is unlike that of Robert Monroe or those described by Michael Newton or others?

You appear to believe that there is some kind of reference book available in NPMR that has all of the earth's PMR rule set written down and from which the equations for a PMR unified field theory could be cribbed and exported here to PMR for purposes of 'gain'. There have been instances of insight, such as the benzene ring, coming from elsewhere for the benefit of a researcher, but it is not like bringing in complete works of science. "Dark matter" and "dark energy" have been discussed briefly here. My opinion is that they are essentially fudge factors required to make the theories and equations of science at present come out right with expanding observations. Similar to the complications, epicycles, added to the celestial spheres based model for the universe to fit expanding data. The 'design' of PMR did not start from a complete delineation of PMR physics as it has developed here in PMR. It is based upon a fractal reality defined by simple rules repeated. We will have to figure out how to define it in our terms here.

The concept of 'frequencies' has been discussed and dismissed here already. It has been discussed how in a VR, you can have your conscious data stream manipulated in many ways. Having one's body 'hijacked' when it is a virtual body could be one interpretation. But the real you is your Mind as it exists within Consciousness Space. Your VR experience may be subject to manipulation, but the real you, your Mind within Consciousness Space and communicating over the RWW, your higher self if your prefer, is co processing multiple experiences including your NPMR experience simultaneously with your PMR experience plus other experience and any aberrations are not simultaneous in all of these experience streams. And Tom has on these forums discussed briefly that 'demonic possession' is not a high probability event anyway. Chi is another way of looking at PMR experience and this as an energy flow is a PMR based interpretation from the societies that produced these explanations. This has been clearly demonstrated as a valid way to manipulate PMR experiences of our PMR bodies, but what does it have to do with 'energy' as defined in PMR science? As information, and the manipulation of our bodies based upon information, it makes more sense to me. Figuring out which 'buttons' to push to create a given effect.

Basically all of the points you raise are contaminated with PMR concepts and resulting limitations on understanding. There are many ways to confirm the scientific model presented in MBT. I seem to be limited in my access through OOBE, but there is a vast array of other aspects of PMR experience that is explainable by the MBT model which I can see. Including how my expanding the concept of the incoming data stream based upon TBC by discussing a VRRE and thus explaining the anomalies of quantum physics is one of them. Explaining the thoughts and interpretations of historical mystics and metaphysicians and understanding how they fit into the MBT model and 'bigger picture' is another. Understanding shamanic practices and how they fit into the MBT bigger picture is yet another.

This is the place, these forums, for discussing details and asking for explanations. I have not seen Tom to be unable to provide them so far.

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Hello Bear that laughs (if I may be so informal)
I love it that you seem to love bears, and turned that passion into your research area. It is also interesting that you find yourself going from non-interactive theoretic methods to interactive one-on-one methodology that allows deeper understanding and therefore empathy with the subject. While your subjects are bear and mine are gang members, our methods match inversely, it seems. Mine are going from desiring one-on-one interview methodology to get that empathetic personal data for understanding to now getting transformed into doing online survey type data gathering (no personal contact with protected population to muck up the thesis process with challenges, the best thesis is a finished thesis) in order to develop a new theory of street gang mentality. This is on advice of my thesis advisor, so.
I had an email exchange with someone with an agency to protect polar bears because of diminishing ice floats causing them to drown when they can't find one to rest on. I suggested they create platforms for the bears in between know routes they take, just something like a giant recycled plastic iceberg thingie half filled so it would float but be stable enough for them to climb onto, and possibly anchored per requirements of physics. The person rejected the idea, but I still like it. How do you diplomatically interact with bears, do you "become a bear" mentally? Seriously, bears and gang members has some similarities, I imagine. Please and thank you in advance.
What are all the rules of writing good science, please some more?
Any culture here (PMR) that ascribes to torture is simply not developed enough in a cultural as well as individuated quality of consciousness (QoC) sense, as I understand QoC.
I dig your vibe Laughing Bear, really, but I also understand consciousness, nonphysical as it is, does not have a frequency although it does allow that illusion in this VR. Have you read Itzhak Bentov's Stalking the Wild Pendulum? You might enjoy it.
It is something I have also noticed, that there is no mathematical model or equations to/in MBT other than clock-speed stuff. Do you think a real big TOE requires equations? That is also a serious question. Welcome here LB, I already enjoy your posts.
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Laughing Bear:
I was left very disappointed that [Tom] had not shown more about how the rest of us can bridge [the NPMR experience] gap.

I can also understand why Tom might be hesitant to describe his experiences in NPMR, lest this degenerate into mere entertainment.

Nevertheless, I think Tom should [do] more to describe experiences in NPMR.. once we sat down and worked our way through the books, we were still left hungry.

One of the first rules in writing good science is coupling theory with examples. When I write about methods of diplomatically interacting with bears, my methods would be meaningless to people if I didn't lace the narrative with numerous examples of how the methods were applied in case after case after case.

Tom:
In fact, I do tell the readers of MBT almost everything that can be communicated about developing useful and profitable NPMR experience. Like most fundamental truth, such answers remain invisible until the until the listener is ready and able to understand. You do not understand that the examples you wish me to add would only make your eventual success more difficult and problematical instead of easier and more achievable. Your issue stems from a belief that NPMR is just a different sort of PMR -- Something you could easily understand if you just had a very good and accurate description.

Your readers know what a bear is and can easily and accurately understand your descriptions based on their own experience base. Try explaining your methods of diplomatically interacting with bears to an earth worm or to a two year old child and tell me how effective your examples are in getting your methods across. One can only communicate effectively to those who share a commonly held experience base that allows them to interpret your words with enough accuracy to be useable.

It is true that NPMR is just a different virtual reality frame with a different rule -set, but that rule set is so drastically different that any descriptions I would give you would be misinterpreted. Although you may be a wise, knowledgeable, and brilliant resident of PMR, you have no choice but to interpret what I tell you in terms of your PMR experience set. Every piece of information that comes to you MUST be interpreted by you in terms of your existing experience and your existing beliefs. My descriptions of NPMR (stories and examples) would leave you with nothing more than some new potential beliefs and expectations based upon your misperceptions of what the metaphors I used in my descriptions actually meant. Now, if we sat down and talked for a few hours or a few weeks, or a few years, your understanding would get better as we eliminated errors (we could converge on what NPMR was not - but not what it was). Factor in that communicating through text in a book or a post in a forum is much more limited.

MBT is written for a general audience. I get into much more detail here in the forum but still I cannot tell you how to grow up any more than you can tell a 10 year old how to become an adult. Experiencing NPMR in a useful way is much, much more about growing up than it is about technique. Growing up is something you must gain from successfully processing personal experience, not listening to a lecture or reading a book. It requires change and understanding at the being level, much more that at the intellectual level. Giving examples of what grownups are like to a 10 year old is not really that helpful - that information may help him act somewhat like an adult (though he would probably misinterpret much of it (adults tell other people, especially kids, what to do; adults know everything, etc) but it wouldn't be of much value to him in guiding his process to actually becoming an adult.

On the bright side: there are many posts in these forums that discuss the points you bring up, but two in particular that might help you understand the fundamental difficulty I have in meeting your request and how and why that difficulty is driven by the fundamental nature of NPMR. They are: An Orientation To Virtual Realities viewtopic.php? And An Orientation to Nonphysical Experience viewtopic.php? . Both are found in the physics forum.


Laughing Bear: There are certainly ways to describe NPMR experiences without degenerating into entertainment. One is by providing knowledge of PMR that is not yet known here and now, such as equations for what Einstein called a Unified Field Theory -- which would presumably be one portion of TOE.

Tom: I do not agree that there certainly are ways to describe NPMR experiences without degenerating into entertainment. I do have a very broad definition of entertainment, but as stated above, and explained in those two posts: If accurate communication is highly unlikely to impossible, what else are we left with given that the descriptions of my experiences will inevitably be "out of this world"?
And why would you think that producing little picture logic (equations) would have anything to do with describing NPMR. There is no connection. Equations that describe the PMR rule-set (e.g., Einstein's Unified Field Theory or dark energy) are specific to the PMR rule-set and have no ability to describe NPMR - they have only to do with PMR. The Big TOE superset cannot be described by little picture subset logic. Now, the Big TOE superset can explain what is unexplainable in PMR (what little toe logic cannot). For instance, MBT derives quantum mechanics from basic principles - something little picture physics cannot do.

Laughing Bear: Or consider "demons." Are there, in NPMR, entities which somehow benefit from causing misery for humans in PMR?

Tom: A great majority of the PMR population is constantly searching for ways to grab some short term gain (often in the form of money, glory, or services) and care little about the hardships they are causing others in order to do so.

Laughing Bear: Is there any truth (in some sense) to the notion that "demons" milk us for some kind of spiritual energy, and that we release more of that energy when we suffer?

Tom: No. Not in the way you are thinking of. You must earn your "spiritual energy" not suck it out of others like blood is sucked by a parasite - it cannot be gained that way. What you are referring to is the fact that acts and rituals may be used as tools for focusing intent. That the acts and rituals may be cruel does not nullify their ability to focus the intent of certain types of people. The belief that they are sucking power from their enemies is simply how people who are ignorant of the nature of reality explain the results of modifying reality by focusing consciousness. Just like light workers use light beams to heal - the light is just a tool - consciousness is the only operative instrument.


Laughing Bear: Or consider "dark matter" and "dark energy... ... "vibrating at frequencies" above those we can detect?
... people have been talking about non-living humans as existing at far higher frequencies than we can detect in PMR. Does this agree or disagree with what Tom has experienced or been told?

Tom: "vibrating at frequencies" above those we can detect" is a PMR concept - it has nothing to do with NPMR. PMR is a virtual reality - nothing is vibrating or detected - that is all just data (information) being passed in the virtual reality trainer according to the rule-set that defines the reality. There is much written about this subject in these forums. It is futile to try to construct NPMR and reality out of PMR rule-set constructs. People use such constructions as metaphors to give voice to effects they do not understand - then end up believing their own metaphors and models are, in fact, reality. It is normal for people to try to build a conceptual construct out of things they are familiar with - i.e., PMR things such as frequency, light, geometry, energy and energy bodies, etc. It is more understandable than the truth and may even fit some of the data some of the time - but it is not actual or fundamental and represents only metaphor --- a conceptual model -- a good shot of explaining NPMR in terms of PMR concepts. Like describing an atom as a basketball of positive charge with negative charged BBs flying around it in circles and ellipses. The metaphor/model gets a few things right but it is completely wrong in a factual sense. Believing that our metaphors and models not only represent reality but are, in fact, reality is a common error of scientists, shaman, and New Age wizzards.

Laughing Bear: As to demonic possession: when one ventures into NPMR, how vulnerable is one to getting stuck there and/or of having one's body hijacked?

Tom: Again, there is much written on this topic in these forums. The short answer is: very small. On the other hand, whether you interpret that such a thing has happened to you is much more likely to depend on how much fear you carry around. Fear can cripple and kill and generate all sorts of symptoms. If your lady friend was fearless, it is very unlikely that she would have had any problems. Fear is an attractor of negative energy because it is a handle by which a person can be easily manipulated or tormented. Fear is like a big sign hung around your NPMR neck that says "kick me". Nevertheless, there are relatively very few actual attacks although there are lots of perceived ones that generally have no lasting effect unless they become belief/fear based.

Your lady friend did not have a Brain malfunction, she was unlucky, made an unfortunate connection, and was not strong enough to fend it off. She was not possessed or captured, simply inhabited by a sentient "parasite". It integrated into her energy body - she will shed it with her body one day. It is more a nuisance than anything else - she can adapt to it successfully - or get rid of it with courage and determination over time.

Do you see another downside to helping a general audience explore NPMR with technique or worse, drugs, before they are ready (grown up enough) to likely find personal growth and evolutionary value in it (as opposed to Gee-whiz entertainment value)? That would be something like letting that ten year old we were coaching to be an adult (by giving him good descriptions and examples of adults) drive a car across town or go out into the woods with a loaded gun. Warning him about the hazards in a brilliant lecture won't make much difference -- cars and guns are exciting fun to 10 year old boys.

Your post asked good questions and these answers will be of interest to many (uhhh - jeeze -- uggh, I can already feel the dozens of counterproductive fear laced questions being generated about interaction with negative entities and parasites -- and I haven't even posted the damn thing yet). Your post was also very challenging time-wise because you rolled so many questions requiring answers of some depth into one post. Since much of this information has been asked and answered a half dozen times before (but with different emphasis and nuance each time) -- It would be a good idea to read the forum first - it is a lot shorter than the books. There is much information there that you would probably find interesting and informative. Many have had similar questions to yours.

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PostPosted: Sun May 17, 2009 8:50 pm 
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I understand your point about the pace. But I enjoy it. Yes, many things I knew already or understood, yes things get repeated from different angles But there is a method to the pace for those who were really Skeptical and limited who might have been hanging on a thread and on the cusp ready to fall back to the 'real world' without these building blocks.

I enjoy the building blocks, kind of like saving the tastiest part of the meal.
I can eat it right now, but let me dabble with the potatoes and broccoli some more, then some turkey, and then I will get to this real tasty stuff over here. Savoring..........

Just part of the journey. That is a show of patience?

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Laughing Bear: Or consider "demons." Are there, in NPMR, entities which somehow benefit from causing misery for humans in PMR?

Laughing Bear: Is there any truth (in some sense) to the notion that "demons" milk us for some kind of spiritual energy, and that we release more of that energy when we suffer?

Laughing Bear: As to demonic possession: when one ventures into NPMR, how vulnerable is one to getting stuck there and/or of having one's body hijacked?

TOM: Your post asked good questions and these answers will be of interest to many (uhhh - jeeze -- uggh, I can already feel the dozens of counterproductive fear laced questions being generated about interaction with negative entities and parasites -- and I haven't even posted the damn thing yet)

OM: My Brother reads a lot of Robert Bruce and although Robert is probably the real deal, I tend to pick up a lot of negative or unnecessary comments and topics that just create additional fears for beginners that just don't need to be. There is enough to deal with. Pass that bridge when and 'if' you ever need to I say to him, don't worry about it.

I see why Tom doesn't prefer speaking too much to these issues. It does create additional worries, beliefs and fears that may hinder faster development. Your questions are viable LB, and they seem to pertain to the Reptilians stories, greys, other entities, illuminati, blah blah etc etc - The Question of Dimensional beings and their deals and or control practices who supposedly/allegedly feed off of our negative energy hence their need for conflicts and pressures among our species as we incarnate here on earth. If you watch the news, read the paper you can see the manipulation of polarities in non stop perpetual motion "perched upon us from birth to death, feeding on us..."

Tom:simply inhabited by a sentient "parasite". It integrated into her energy body - she will shed it with her body one day.
(this sounds like advanced understanding only to those with very operational NPMR experience - elaborate? ur call)

Anyway, this is the kind of stuff Icke, Valerian and the like are promoting. Is it/are they just more deception to keep us confused, are they confused? Valerian claims Monroe's true tales have been modified as not to seem completely beyond the pail's pail. Whether it's true or not, I can't answer it, yet... Maybe Tom can give a definitive answer on it.


However, if this is a learning Lab as Tom describes, its not so important, we should not take it so personal. They (if they even exist) may just be part of the Big Picture of Evolution as well. We are all in this together. Kind of like having a bully on your block - sooner or later you need to walk by his house and lay the smack down to some end.(he is just using your fear as long as it lasts whether consciously or unconsciously aware of it)


Tom: Fear is like a big sign hung around your NPMR neck that says "kick me"
....Do you see another downside to helping a general audience explore NPMR with technique or worse, drugs, before they are ready (grown up enough) to likely find personal growth and evolutionary value in it (as opposed to Gee-whiz entertainment value)?

OM: SO who makes that decision then? Again something that is given to you... If one can get there... are they not ready? Even if persistent, if they get there are they not ready other than the spontaneous one time type episodes.

TOM: For example, You, OM, have developed enough personal power to easily thwart attacks from most black arts practitioners if you remain fearless. If you don't remain fearless but also don't panic, you would probably still do OK in the long run.

OM: Did this comment pertain to NPMR negative entities, PMR or both? In this case, Fear wouldn't be enough to do me in according to your statement if I can stay calm and in the moment.

If this post and the responses thereof may create more fear than profitability then I will not be offended if you delete it - you can PM me with your comments instead or just PM me and say not a profitable diversion.
Otherwise we can continue it in the Fear and Ego section on the site where it probably belongs...

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I think we should all remember the main idea - The model of reality of the multi player simulation. Is it useful to sit around arguing about which creature can do what to who in Warcraft? That's basically where we're taking this. Can two little elf things beat a giant beast thing? What if the giant beast was drunk? Would the beast have depression if he was hurt?

Hehe. I'm not really trying to make fun, I'm with you, this stuff is interesting. But if the usefulness of an "answer" can be called into question, then is the effort of digging out an answer worth it? By that I mean - Tom has said that to make any conclusion you really need a non biased statistical analysis with lots of sampling and detail.

We creatures vary in every way, our beliefs, reactions, luck, etc. NPMR also varies, almost everything is possible. How can we reach meaningful conclusions when the dose (NPMR awareness) set (us) and setting (NPMR) all have endless possibilities? Breathe in, breathe out, become clearer of mind, have more and deeper experiences. That's what we need to do.


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Jer makes some really good points. Beyond ego, entertainment, and fear, what can you do with the information?

OM, Yes, if you can get there on your own, you are probably ready. If you need a boost from outside PMR sources to get there, you may or may not be ready. And when I referred to "most black arts practitioners" I was referring to the run of the mill PMR resident trying to do you harm via NPMR by manipulation of consciousness with a negative intent.

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A long time ago...or was it right now, in a simulation (z) much like our own...

The z-beings of planet Earth live in darkness.

These z-beings have jobs, families, vacations, and enjoy hobbies of various type.

However, something is absent from their experience...control.

These z-beings are unable to experience NPMR and thus live in a delusional reality full of daemons and parasites.

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The only reason z-beings could not experience npmr was because they had been kept in the dark by those whose intent was to control others, once they saw reality they realized control wasn't the issue, their own experience of All That Is as nonphysical digital consciousness allowed the illusion of control to fade. Then there was peace. Nice story...
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You always finish my stories.

Hope you are well...


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As long as I finish them well, I am good. Thanks.
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