I was left very disappointed that [Tom] had not shown more about how the rest of us can bridge [the NPMR experience] gap.
I can also understand why Tom might be hesitant to describe his experiences in NPMR, lest this degenerate into mere entertainment.
Nevertheless, I think Tom should [do] more to describe experiences in NPMR.. once we sat down and worked our way through the books, we were still left hungry.
One of the first rules in writing good science is coupling theory with examples. When I write about methods of diplomatically interacting with bears, my methods would be meaningless to people if I didn't lace the narrative with numerous examples of how the methods were applied in case after case after case.
In fact, I do tell the readers of MBT almost everything that can be communicated about developing useful and profitable NPMR experience. Like most fundamental truth, such answers remain invisible until the until the listener is ready and able to understand. You do not understand that the examples you wish me to add would only make your eventual success more difficult and problematical instead of easier and more achievable. Your issue stems from a belief that NPMR is just a different sort of PMR -- Something you could easily understand if you just had a very good and accurate description.
Your readers know what a bear is and can easily and accurately understand your descriptions based on their own experience base. Try explaining your methods of diplomatically interacting with bears to an earth worm or to a two year old child and tell me how effective your examples are in getting your methods across. One can only communicate effectively to those who share a commonly held experience base that allows them to interpret your words with enough accuracy to be useable.
It is true that NPMR is just a different virtual reality frame with a different rule -set, but that rule set is so drastically different that any descriptions I would give you would be misinterpreted. Although you may be a wise, knowledgeable, and brilliant resident of PMR, you have no choice but to interpret what I tell you in terms of your PMR experience set. Every piece of information that comes to you MUST be interpreted by you in terms of your existing experience and your existing beliefs. My descriptions of NPMR (stories and examples) would leave you with nothing more than some new potential beliefs and expectations based upon your misperceptions of what the metaphors I used in my descriptions actually meant. Now, if we sat down and talked for a few hours or a few weeks, or a few years, your understanding would get better as we eliminated errors (we could converge on what NPMR was not - but not what it was). Factor in that communicating through text in a book or a post in a forum is much more limited.
MBT is written for a general audience. I get into much more detail here in the forum but still I cannot tell you how to grow up any more than you can tell a 10 year old how to become an adult. Experiencing NPMR in a useful way is much, much more about growing up than it is about technique. Growing up is something you must gain from successfully processing personal experience, not listening to a lecture or reading a book. It requires change and understanding at the being level, much more that at the intellectual level. Giving examples of what grownups are like to a 10 year old is not really that helpful - that information may help him act somewhat like an adult (though he would probably misinterpret much of it (adults tell other people, especially kids, what to do; adults know everything, etc) but it wouldn't be of much value to him in guiding his process to actually becoming an adult.
On the bright side: there are many posts in these forums that discuss the points you bring up, but two in particular that might help you understand the fundamental difficulty I have in meeting your request and how and why that difficulty is driven by the fundamental nature of NPMR. They are: An Orientation To Virtual Realities viewtopic.php
? And An Orientation to Nonphysical Experience viewtopic.php
? . Both are found in the physics forum.
Laughing Bear: There are certainly ways to describe NPMR experiences without degenerating into entertainment. One is by providing knowledge of PMR that is not yet known here and now, such as equations for what Einstein called a Unified Field Theory -- which would presumably be one portion of TOE.
Tom: I do not agree that there certainly are ways to describe NPMR experiences without degenerating into entertainment. I do have a very broad definition of entertainment, but as stated above, and explained in those two posts: If accurate communication is highly unlikely to impossible, what else are we left with given that the descriptions of my experiences will inevitably be "out of this world"?
And why would you think that producing little picture logic (equations) would have anything to do with describing NPMR. There is no connection. Equations that describe the PMR rule-set (e.g., Einstein's Unified Field Theory or dark energy) are specific to the PMR rule-set and have no ability to describe NPMR - they have only to do with PMR. The Big TOE superset cannot be described by little picture subset logic. Now, the Big TOE superset can explain what is unexplainable in PMR (what little toe logic cannot). For instance, MBT derives quantum mechanics from basic principles - something little picture physics cannot do.
Laughing Bear: Or consider "demons." Are there, in NPMR, entities which somehow benefit from causing misery for humans in PMR?
Tom: A great majority of the PMR population is constantly searching for ways to grab some short term gain (often in the form of money, glory, or services) and care little about the hardships they are causing others in order to do so.
Laughing Bear: Is there any truth (in some sense) to the notion that "demons" milk us for some kind of spiritual energy, and that we release more of that energy when we suffer?
Tom: No. Not in the way you are thinking of. You must earn your "spiritual energy" not suck it out of others like blood is sucked by a parasite - it cannot be gained that way. What you are referring to is the fact that acts and rituals may be used as tools for focusing intent. That the acts and rituals may be cruel does not nullify their ability to focus the intent of certain types of people. The belief that they are sucking power from their enemies is simply how people who are ignorant of the nature of reality explain the results of modifying reality by focusing consciousness. Just like light workers use light beams to heal - the light is just a tool - consciousness is the only operative instrument.
Laughing Bear: Or consider "dark matter" and "dark energy... ... "vibrating at frequencies" above those we can detect?
... people have been talking about non-living humans as existing at far higher frequencies than we can detect in PMR. Does this agree or disagree with what Tom has experienced or been told?
Tom: "vibrating at frequencies" above those we can detect" is a PMR concept - it has nothing to do with NPMR. PMR is a virtual reality - nothing is vibrating or detected - that is all just data (information) being passed in the virtual reality trainer according to the rule-set that defines the reality. There is much written about this subject in these forums. It is futile to try to construct NPMR and reality out of PMR rule-set constructs. People use such constructions as metaphors to give voice to effects they do not understand - then end up believing their own metaphors and models are, in fact, reality. It is normal for people to try to build a conceptual construct out of things they are familiar with - i.e., PMR things such as frequency, light, geometry, energy and energy bodies, etc. It is more understandable than the truth and may even fit some of the data some of the time - but it is not actual or fundamental and represents only metaphor --- a conceptual model -- a good shot of explaining NPMR in terms of PMR concepts. Like describing an atom as a basketball of positive charge with negative charged BBs flying around it in circles and ellipses. The metaphor/model gets a few things right but it is completely wrong in a factual sense. Believing that our metaphors and models not only represent reality but are, in fact, reality is a common error of scientists, shaman, and New Age wizzards.
Laughing Bear: As to demonic possession: when one ventures into NPMR, how vulnerable is one to getting stuck there and/or of having one's body hijacked?
Tom: Again, there is much written on this topic in these forums. The short answer is: very small. On the other hand, whether you interpret that such a thing has happened to you is much more likely to depend on how much fear you carry around. Fear can cripple and kill and generate all sorts of symptoms. If your lady friend was fearless, it is very unlikely that she would have had any problems. Fear is an attractor of negative energy because it is a handle by which a person can be easily manipulated or tormented. Fear is like a big sign hung around your NPMR neck that says "kick me". Nevertheless, there are relatively very few actual attacks although there are lots of perceived ones that generally have no lasting effect unless they become belief/fear based.
Your lady friend did not have a Brain malfunction, she was unlucky, made an unfortunate connection, and was not strong enough to fend it off. She was not possessed or captured, simply inhabited by a sentient "parasite". It integrated into her energy body - she will shed it with her body one day. It is more a nuisance than anything else - she can adapt to it successfully - or get rid of it with courage and determination over time.
Do you see another downside to helping a general audience explore NPMR with technique or worse, drugs
, before they are ready (grown up enough) to likely find personal growth and evolutionary value in it (as opposed to Gee-whiz entertainment value)? That would be something like letting that ten year old we were coaching to be an adult (by giving him good descriptions and examples of adults) drive a car across town or go out into the woods with a loaded gun. Warning him about the hazards in a brilliant lecture won't make much difference -- cars and guns are exciting fun to 10 year old boys.
Your post asked good questions and these answers will be of interest to many (uhhh - jeeze -- uggh, I can already feel the dozens of counterproductive fear laced questions being generated about interaction with negative entities and parasites -- and I haven't even posted the damn thing yet). Your post was also very challenging time-wise because you rolled so many questions requiring answers of some depth into one post. Since much of this information has been asked and answered a half dozen times before (but with different emphasis and nuance each time) -- It would be a good idea to read the forum first - it is a lot shorter than the books. There is much information there that you would probably find interesting and informative. Many have had similar questions to yours.