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PostPosted: Sat Feb 01, 2020 7:16 pm 
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Hey everyone :)

I was interested if anyone had any further info ( perhaps in the past had found some correlating data online), on 2 important MBT stories:

1) hospital records prayer study on "length of hospital stays", first done by Rabbi's and others in Isreal

2) sheep morality study


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PostPosted: Sun Feb 02, 2020 4:44 pm 
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To be honest, I've never heard of those stories but I would also be interested in hearing more info. :^)


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PostPosted: Sun Feb 02, 2020 7:13 pm 
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There is this

Morality of animals researcher
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Rowlands

Bear saves crow
https://youtu.be/TSPgenqMlvQ

I heard a report that there was a burrowing animal
in Australia who was sheparding other species
into their borrow to escape the fires

Wikipedia on prayer research
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Studies ... ory_prayer

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 03, 2020 6:46 am 
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thanks for your replies guys :)

Krorean,

I will have to have a look at those links after work today ...thanks !

Human,

are you familiar with the new and wonderful MBT video search tool ?

That is how i was able to find those 2 older stories so easily as relayed to us from Tom..
Let me give you some links for all this -

MBT video search tool -https://elastic.mbt-database.com/index.php

So to find video references for the sheep morality study, all i put in for the search engine was the term- " Sheep "

Than for the old hospital records story ,i put in - " Hospital "

What is great about it is it give you a time stamped you- tube video link, right to what you are searching for :)

so for example on - "sheep morality"-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFdTNII ... t=0h36m49s

and for- "hospital"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CSu2jRG ... =0h4m18s

But do let us know how you make out with this, thanks :)


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 04, 2020 8:50 am 
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Linda,

Do you think this might be the source for the hospital records study Tom uses in the videos ?

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC61047/


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 04, 2020 12:55 pm 
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I don't know.


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 05, 2020 7:29 am 
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Linda, thanks for your reply :)

For anyone else who is interested ,

I will share with those, why I think with relative higher probability that the study I found online (could be ? ).., the basis for Tom's hospital study story -

1) Thru several searches of mine online .. it was the only study that had similar parameters to Tom's story ..

2) Tom's story focuses on using CI to effect "length of hospital stays "
The study I found , they tested 3 parameters-

Main outcome measures

Mortality in hospital, length of stay in hospital, and duration of fever.

However the parameter effected the most of those 3 by the prayer group did turn out to be -
" Length of Hospital stay"

3) In some of Tom' video references to the study, to the ability of his best recall-
He mentions " Israel,.. ( as the country where this study first took place ), with the praying done mostly by Rabbis'..


Taken directly from the article -

Methods

All adult patients whose bloodstream infection was detected at a university hospital (Rabin Medical Center, Beilinson Campus) in Israel during 1990–6 were included in the study.

I think after having a look at some of Tom's videos this was i feel is the best one to have a listen to -

https://youtu.be/2P0LGFkaaMA?t=3644

I would like to caution as Tom does in the video, not to nit pick exacting details if making a comparison of the study I found and how he applies this to a understanding of the main attributes that hold the importance to a validation of the MBT model .

and for a final time ill supply the online link to the study i found -

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC61047/

.. for those that care to supply any additional comments or discussion ..

I will make one comment in that this is one of my favorite (tom story anecdotes), because it explains the mythology behind the =

" appearance of backwards causality "


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