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PostPosted: Tue Jan 24, 2012 10:54 pm 
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Advaita,

What you are talking about is what people are interested in. Interactions between PMR participants are the important thing as that is what reduces entropy and raises Quality of Consciousness. That is why they as PMR VRs were created. Like this or not, like other things or not, agree or not, this is what My Big TOE says is important.

I have described Intent versus intent a lot as has Tom. Sorry that you have not caught on. It is not a simple concept.

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What part of this is not clear?

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How is there a disconnect between our intentions here as opposed to our Intent deeper in the LCS? Surely there must be some connection, some knowable feedback here in PMR, otherwise your stated explanation is absurd.

Good intentions imply caring. If I care then I respect an IUOC's freewill and will try to avoid minimizing their decision space, therefore my interactions are essentially my 'gauge' of whether I'm doing it right, as you say Ted, but in the next sentence you contradict yourself saying we do not have access to our real Intent and therefore cannot know it.

So, there is much here that is not clear. What is the relationship between intent and capital I, 'Intent', which I see you writing about in other threads? You seem to describe a connection here and yet you also deny that there is.

I also object to the idea that our interactions here is what it's all about really. "It" meaning life in PMR. How we relate to others is one important interest while we're here but there are others. I think well-being here is naturally of interest, as is our pursuits. Well-being and pursuits are primary focuses here in PMR and we interact with people along the way. I think it's all important.
Ted will shut down on you if you start getting rude with him, and if you persist, he will as administrator justifiably lock you out of the forum - I am just relating facts to you here, not judging or scolding

"Your stated explanation is absurd" appears to me to be disrespectful and gratuitously argumentative, and I am confused regarding why such an evolved being such as yourself (Campellian biscuit maneuver) would communicate in this way ; - )

control your emotional frustration response and craft firm but logical challenges and questions - that's the price in this pay to play environment

a better phrasing would be "your stated explanation appears to be absurd to me, I am confused"

has anyone showed you how to search on the online Trilogy? do a search on intent and start with that. Has anyone showed you how to search on Tom's postings in this forum? He leans into Intent there.

Never rely on second hand information and interpretation when you have the source teaching available.



put simply, Intent is the active element of QoC, according to my interpretation

Like, QoC is your investment portfolio, and Intent is what you are going to do with it, the general goal at the IUOC level, which you will be largely unaware of at the concious FWAU level.

Your IUOC is sending you subconcious smoke signals in this regard, and nudging your decision making, at each little intent fork in the road at the game level, and meditation is picking up the phone and calling your IUOC to have a more direct communication, which is something felt, rather than being a thing of thought.

QoC->Intent->Goal->intent->goal->decision->action->result->feedback->incremental QoC change->Intent...and so on

like right now, there are dishes on the counter - you have a choice - yammer some more with your forum buddies, or load the dishwasher (a mundane act of love for your housemate/girlfriend/mom, whatever)

now that's at the mental level...there will likely be a situation of significance in your life, with a binary choice, and your material self interest may conflict with what your QoC wants to do, through this smoke signal thingy...

you have the free will to choose...a big part of MBTOE is becoming aware of this process of facing forks in the road, and increasingly facing these forks with greater thought and intent, and listening for the smoke signals, and picking up the phone - deal or no deal ; - )

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Advaita,

Randy's suggestion of doing a search for the word intent is excellent. You might narrow it by looking for only posts by Tom since it is a common word. Here is one I posted recently. viewtopic.php?f=6&t=6696&p=49604&hilit=intent#p49604 There is more of interest in that thread.

Here is a link to a number of lectures that Tom created as parts of preliminary handouts for participants in his events to provide some initial information so participants obtained maximum benefit. http://wiki.my-big-toe.com/index.php/To ... -_Lectures You will note that Intent is included in at least one subject and more discuss it slightly.

Understanding Intent as Tom Campbell uses it is a difficult concept. Not really like the simple English word, but including it in a way. As Tom has said, there is not a better word for the concept in English.

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I ask Tom to expand on the idea of a mid life crisis. Here is his reply.

A midlife crisis may or may not have to do with catching up to the quality of previous incarnations. Sometimes this crisis is simply borne of fear and expresses little more than denial (I'm getting old and half of my life is over -- the rest of my time here can best be described as a downhill slide into oblivion -- in the extremes of denial they may begin emulating teenagers again). Sometimes, after 40 to 60 years of turning a crank (job, raising kids, all the culturally correct things we do -- what is expected of us) it dawns on people who have a larger than average potential to grow up that a bigger picture that promises more value and significance exists. Their vision of a "a downhill slide into oblivion" is taken as a challenge rather than a threat and they, more willing now to take chances, begin to look to engage in things more meaningful or growth producing, than just continuing to turn the old stale crank. Likewise people sometimes take on personas or roles that they play (boss, mother, care giver, leader, etc) for much of their life that really don't suit them anymore (if they ever did) and they now, after having been there and done that and fulfilled their obligations and duties the role required, want to break out into other modes of experience that feel more "real" and less obligatory. There are probably lots more reasons for a midlife crisis. It could be that one is beginning to grow up into the quality they earned in other lifetimes, but there are many other possibilities as well.

Something, anyway, seems to break their trance of cultural expectation and they are driven (by fear, challenge, personal growth, denial, ambition, nudges from the LCS, un-met ego needs, fantasiful fixations, and neurosis) to embrace change (for better or worse) as a solution. The pot is stirred and new choices and opportunities to learn are created -- some results may bring new joy and others new pain -- but educational opportunities all.

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I think I am repeating (and perhaps plagiarizing) much of the excellent writing in this thread, but I am needing to trace it all out for myself, and also follow the relationship between the IUOC and the individual self all the way through to the human brain. What follows is my attempt to trace that relationship, and any feedback would be much appreciated.

The IUOC is the accumulated “storehouse” of consciousness quality—the true self. A FWAU, a constraint of the IUOC, experiences PMR via the medium of the brain. The FWAU interprets a given set of PMR data constrained by:
  • a) The data as structured by TBC
    b) The inherent QOC of the IUOC
    c) The functional QOC of the FWAU
    d) The structure of the brain interpreting PMR data
What is the process whereby decisions take place?

The FWAU encounters a situation in PMR (i.e., the IUOC as FWAU interprets PMR data by its brain). The IUOC then filters down a set of potential decisions based on its Intent, constrained by its QOC (the “inherent QOC”). The FWAU receives only those potentials it is capable of receiving. This is determined by the FWAU’s present quality of consciousness (it’s “functional QOC”), which is determined largely by its individual history. The FWAU then makes a decision based on its intent as constrained by its QOC. The action, however, will be carried out only if the brain is capable of carrying it out. And this is determined for the most part by the neurophysiology of the brain.

The brain is thus very important. The health of the brain can “make or break” any link between intent-->decision-->action. For example, one’s IUOC can have a high QOC, which can successfully transmit Intent to a wise and learned FWAU, but if the FWAU’s brain has significant limitations (Alzheimer’s disease, or the brain of a child, for instance) it may not be able to act in PMR. Brain health is critical so one can act on intents and Intents.

In terms of improvement of QOC, if the intent is better (more loving, less entropic) for the FWAU than ever before (in this experience packet), this probably means the FWAU is catching up to QOC already achieved by the IUOC. The FWAU will thenceforth be more receptive to potential decisions from the IUOC (its decision space increases). If the intent is better for the IUOC than ever before, this amounts to a growth in overall QOC, which is the point of life. The IUOC will therefore have an increased decision space and a more developed Intent, and will therefore be able to send a greater quantity/quality of potential decisions to the FWAU.

The structure of the brain can therefore change in 2 ways:
  • 1. External to PMR: free will intents, followed by decisions, can rewire the brain (open new pathways, make new connections). In this case, the brain changes as a result of intents from the FWAU taking direction from the IUOC.
    2. Internal to PMR: environmental factors, sensations, interactions with other people, (thoughts?) rewire the brain. In this case the brain changes as a result of interpreting data.

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Ted will most likely give you any needed direction but I can say that QOC and our apparent functioning in PMR have nothing to do with each other. The brain is Virtual. My son doesn't function very well in PMR because the data stream he is receiving when focused here has autism which if he had a brain scan would appear possibly as larger cerebral areas (I think) but the brain structure is reflection of the data received as I understand it.
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s.lareck,
OVERALL YOUR UNDERSTANDING IS EXCELLENT!
I HAVE ADDED MY COMMENTS TO YOUR POST IN CAPITOL LETTERS SO YOU CAN SEE HOW I HAVE MODIFIED YOUR CONCEPTS SLIGHTLY.

The IUOC is the accumulated “storehouse” of consciousness quality—the true self. A FWAU, a CONSTRAINED SUBSET of the IUOC, experiences PMR ACCORDING TO THE RULE-SETS CONSTRAINTS AS REPRESENTED BY THE VIRTUAL BRAIN. AN INDIVIDUAL FWAU interprets a given set of PMR data constrained by:
a) The data DEFINING PMR as GENERATED by TBC -- CONSTRAINED BY THE HISTORIC AND PRESENT EVOLVING VR, OTHER PLAYERS HISTORIC AND PRESENT INTERACTIONS, AND THE INDIVIDUAL’S VIRTUAL BODY (INCLUDES THE VIRTUAL BRAIN)
b) The inherent QOC of the IUOC
c) The functional QOC of the FWAU
d) The PRESENT CONSTRAINTS (ABILITIES) of the VIRTUAL brain interpreting PMR data (NOTE: THIS IS CONTAINED IN a) ABOVE)

What is the process whereby decisions take place?

The FWAU encounters a situation in PMR (i.e., AN IUOC SUBSET CALLED THE FWAU) interprets PMR data GENERATED BY TBC AND CONSTRAINED AS DESCRIBED IN a) ABOVE). The FWAU MAKES decisions based on its Intent, AND IS constrained by its QOC. the FWAU’s present quality of consciousness (it’s “functional QOC”), is determined largely by its individual history – I.E., BY THE QUALITY OF THE CHOICES IT HAS MADE SINCE IT JOINED THE PMR GAME WITH ITS INITIAL QOC WHICH WAS THE QOC OF THE IUOC AT THE TIME THE FWAU SUBSET WAS CREATED AND ENTERED THE PMR CONSCIUOSNESS EVOLUTION VR GAME. The FWAU then makes a decision based on its intent as constrained by its QOC. The action, however, will be carried out only if ALL THE CONSTRAINTS IN a) ABOVE (INCLUDING the LIMITS AND ABILITIES OF THE brain) ARE capable of BEING MET. NOTE THAT THE LIMITS AND ABILITIES (CONSTRAINTS) OF THE VIRTUAL brain ARE determined BY A HISTORICALLY CONSISTENT APPLICATION OF THE PMR RULE-SET TO THE SIMULATED DEVELOPMENT AND HEALTH OF THE BRAIN. THESE LIMITS AND ABILITIES ARE, for the most part, REPRESENTED WITHIN PMR by the neurophysiology of the VIRTUAL brain.

The brain is thus very important. The health of the brain can “make or break” any link between intent-->decision-->action. For example, one’s FWAU can have a high QOC, which HAS THE POTENTIAL TO APPLY WISDOM AND A HIGH QUALITY INTENT TO THE PMR PROBLEM/CHOICE/OPPORTUNITY, but if the FWAU’s brain has significant limitations (Alzheimer’s disease, BRAIN DAMAGE, or the brain of a child, for instance) it may not be able to EXPRESS ITS QUALITY THROUGH ACTIONS IN PMR. Brain health IS IMPORTANT IF IT IS ONE’S GOAL TO INTERACT WITHIN PMR WITH AS FEW CONSTRAINTS AS POSSIBLE. IF ONE’S VIRTUAL BRAIN HEALTH IS NOT EXCELLENT (BY PLAN, RANDOM DRAW, OR ACCIDENT), THEN ONE’S GOALS SHIFT TO GATHER QOC BY WORKING WITH IN A DIFFERENT (BUT STILL VERY VALUABLE) SET OF OPPORTUNITIES.

In terms of improvement of QOC, if the intent is better (more loving, less entropic) for the FWAU than ever before (in this experience packet), this MAY MEAN THAT the FWAU is catching up to QOC already achieved by the IUOC, OR, If the FWAU’s QOC is better THAN WHAT WAS INITIALLY RECEIVED FROM THE IUOC, this amounts to a growth in overall QOC, which is the point of life. The IUOC will therefore have an increased decision space and a more developed Intent. THE NEXT FWAU the IUOC SPAWNS, WILL BEGIN THE PMR GAME WITH A LITTLE HIGHER QOC.

The structure of the brain can therefore change in 2 ways:
1. External to PMR (INTERNAL TO CONSCIOUSNESS): free will intents, followed by decisions, can REDUCE THE FUNCTIONAL CONSTRAINTS GIVEN IN a) ABOVE WITHIN THE DATA STREAM FROM TBC. In this case, the SIMULATED VIRTUAL brain IS MODIFIED TO SUPPORT THE NEW ABILITIES as a result of FWAU GROWTH. (BIG-C CONSCIOUSNESS LEADS AND THE VIRTUAL BODY FOLLOWS)
2. Internal to PMR (EXTERNAL TO CONSCIOUSNESS): environmental factors, sensations, interactions with other people, NEW OR GROWING FEARS, RANDOM, ACCIDENTAL OR DESEASE RRELATED BRAIN DAMAGE, IN THIS CASE THE FUNCTIONAL CONSTRAINTS GIVEN IN a) ABOVE ARE INCREASED WITHIN THE DATA STREAM FROM TBC. In this case, the SIMULATED VIRTUAL brain IS MODIFIED ACCORDING TO THE RULE-SET TO REFLECT THE DIMINISHED ABILITIES (PMR INTERACTION LEADS AND LITTLE-C CONSCIOUSNESS FOLLOWS. BIG-C CONSCIOUSNESS IS UNCHANGED BUT NOW MUST TRY TO EXPRESSES ITSELF THROUGH A MORE LIMITING SET OF CONSTRAINTS.)

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Reading this post Tom has given me a profound Aha moment, for the last few years I have been thinking I was being shown several different probable future realities that may have been. So now I am sliding to the side of that these are in fact concurrent experience packets with different FWAU from the same source that I am given, to experience the different aspects of me and also while some of them had similar characters , for example my grandfather, wife and friends that in fact I interpreted them as these same people because they came from the same source as the beings I was familiar with in this PMR, so My grandpa, wife and friends were in fact a completely different FWAU beings but I interpreted them as being my grandpa, wife and friends because of the signature of the base consciousness, being or vibration is the same. Also that’s the reason I always looked like me and wore the same type of clothes that I do is because I interpreted myself as the only way I know how in this PMR.

Am I on to something or what :)

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Remember, TBC, IUOC and FAWU, are all metaphors that we use to make a model that we can talk about. Don't take them literally. Metaphors allow us to take something that is entirely abstract and talk about it in terms of objective causality (a description of what causes what and the functional relationships between things -- the only thing that makes shared common sense to PMR players and the only thing our PMR language is prepared to deal with). Also, there is not just one correct metaphor -- the value of a metaphor is how well it facilitates rational productive discussion with the fewest logical problems (few metaphors are perfect). A metaphor should be viewed as a helpful intermediately model to be used only within the limits of its intended applicability, not a factual statement. To be useful to you, a metaphor needs to resonate with your own knowledge, understanding, and experience base. Thus, different metaphors are more suitable (useful and productive) for different groups of people.

The metaphor that s.lareck used a few posts back: the FWAU receives intent/action/choice data from the IUOC is not wrong. It is simply an alternative -- all the work (decision making - expressing intent) is being done by the IUOC and the FWAU is more or less an interface with TBC. I personally do not like this alternative as well because in my mind it seems to complicate the relationship between IUOC and FWAU. We end up with problems like: S.LARECK-- "THE IUOC THEN FILTERS DOWN A SET OF POTENTIAL DECISIONS BASED ON ITS INTENT, CONSTRAINED BY ITS QOC (THE “INHERENT QOC”). THE FWAU RECEIVES ONLY THOSE POTENTIALS IT IS CAPABLE OF RECEIVING." How does it receive "only those potentials it is capable of receiving"? How does the IUOC accomplish that sorting -- especially since the FWAUs functional QOC is likely different than (hopefully greater than) the “inherent QOC of the IUOC. Also what forms little c (local PMR) consciousness if the FWAU is only an interface (not itself making decisions)? And so on... there are a hand full of logical issues that arise from this alternative metaphor that do not exist if the FWAU is a fully operational choice making subset of big C consciousness whose virtual reality-creating data stream generated by TBC is limited by the necessity to meet all the constraints listed in the previous post.

So, the bottom line is: use whatever metaphor produces the most educational value for you and be willing to modify your metaphors as you learn and develop new perspectives. Don't make metaphors sacred -- they are simply useful (often temporary) communication tools. Use what works for you and let others use what works for them.

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so actually what is being said here is our constrained consciousness in pmr is interfaced with the whole system with intent. josh


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Josh,

Our individual awareness/consciousness, our little-c constrained consciousness, is somehow interfaced with the Larger consciousness system (LCS). There is no advantage to unnecessarily complicating that "somehow".... thus, more straightforwardly, our consciousness is directly interfaced with the LCS. "Guides" are our personal interface with the LCS. This should not be to surprising since the LCS is our metaphor representing the entire digital information system...i.e., everything real -- everything sentient, everything non-sentient, everything virtual, simply: everything. We make metaphors like FWAU and IUOC to produce a functional causal model of that interface because functional causal models is how we construct our personal reality in PMR and thus how we must think about and speak about everything. We conceptualize our existence as a process and functional causal models are required to describe processes.

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Our individual awareness/consciousness, our little-c constrained consciousness, is somehow interfaced with the Larger consciousness system (LCS). There is no advantage to unnecessarily complicating that "somehow".... thus, more straightforwardly, our consciousness is directly interfaced with the LCS. "Guides" are our personal interface with the LCS. This should not be to surprising since the LCS is our metaphor representing the entire digital information system...i.e., everything real -- everything sentient, everything non-sentient, everything virtual, simply: everything. We make metaphors like FWAU and IUOC to produce a functional causal model of that interface because functional causal models is how we construct our personal reality in PMR and thus how we must think about and speak about everything. We conceptualize our existence as a process and functional causal models are required to describe processes.

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so, when we intend to modify situations in the probable future in pmr with our focused intent , our guides being the interface modify, move, the data to come into our reality within the ruleset in a range of probabilities that is natural to the event. so intent is the power that makes things happen in consciousness. and we just use the metaphors so little c consiousness experiencing in pmr can understand, josh


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Wow, thanks so much Tom for clarifying and elaborating on that post.

Part of what spurred my post is a recent reading of the book Scattered: How Attention Deficit Disorder Originates and What You Can Do About It by Gabor Mate. The author asserts that the only component of ADD that is hereditary is a person's propensity to hypersensitivity. The disorder sets in owing to the failure of several important brain circuits to develop properly in early childhood, because of stress, inattention, and other emotional disturbances of the caregiver. Specifically, the prefrontal cortex--the regulator of the lower brain structures (where fear and rage reside) and the center of the brain's reward and motivation apparatus (i.e. the center of selective attention, motivation, self-regulation)--is weakened when the mother/caregiver cannot, for whatever reason, devoted focused, consistent, unstressed loving care to the infant. This happens because endorphins are released when the mother devotes that care, and endorphins encourage the growth of nerve cells between parts of the brain.

This is in alignment with other recent research which finds that although the human brain is remarkably "plastic" in its ability to self-modify, its functioning is heavily influenced by early childhood experiences.

In your corrections to my post:
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"THE LIMITS AND ABILITIES (CONSTRAINTS) OF THE VIRTUAL brain ARE determined BY A HISTORICALLY CONSISTENT APPLICATION OF THE PMR RULE-SET TO THE SIMULATED DEVELOPMENT AND HEALTH OF THE BRAIN. THESE LIMITS AND ABILITIES ARE, for the most part, REPRESENTED WITHIN PMR by the neurophysiology of the VIRTUAL brain.
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"Brain health IS IMPORTANT IF IT IS ONE’S GOAL TO INTERACT WITHIN PMR WITH AS FEW CONSTRAINTS AS POSSIBLE. IF ONE’S VIRTUAL BRAIN HEALTH IS NOT EXCELLENT (BY PLAN, RANDOM DRAW, OR ACCIDENT), THEN ONE’S GOALS SHIFT TO GATHER QOC BY WORKING WITH IN A DIFFERENT (BUT STILL VERY VALUABLE) SET OF OPPORTUNITIES.


So, I would reason that a mal-adapted brain is constraint to optimal functioning whether it is hindered because of a disease or because of difficult life conditions. The story of human development is then the struggle to unlearn maladaptive habits by overriding entropic brain wiring.

Would it be accurate to state that TBC must be able to calculate the probability of a given FWAU's future brain health based on heredity and early childhood conditions? This would explain how we as IUOCs select our challenges for the next experience packet--we examine the probable conditions during early childhood as mixed with certain inherited character traits to find the brain we'll be stuck with fixing?

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As far as optimal development choosing a mom that was going to focus on providing optimal nutrition and avoiding toxins during the pregnancy and breast feeding would be a good choice for a bit of Consciousness coming in with the need of a optimally functioning neural system and probable good life-long health and fitness. Having such a mom and coming in with a life plan for autism for example still allows one to reach their fullest potentials for life-long health and wellness if pregnancy is included in the mix.

While this is mostly up to the woman to make sure to know and intake proper nutrition it really gets old when the caregiver which is the mother gets blamed for things like ADHD or now again autism with today them saying obese women cause autism.

I like to think there is a great deal of planning between life's picking just the correct family situation but I think Tom has not so much planning going on most of the time as he sees it.
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